Thursday, September 25, 2008

It's Chess I Tell Ya

Batshee the Thesaurus mangler has surfaced to try to mitigate the damage of the season 4 DVDs and utter lack of pro-jate comments or extras by posting another of her ridiculously longwinded essays. Here's an abridged version to spare you the tedium.

"TPTB are the equivalent of salesmen trying to sell a product-the triangle b/c it brings talk and ratings. It's the nature of television politics.

I've seen it debated that "marketing" aka hype is only designed to be reflective of popularity & reverence. Therefore b/c Skate is being propped and Jate is not, it means it's better and the OTP. Well, a frequent tactic used by marketers of movies is to isolate the positive comments about the movie & put them in quotes in an ad. I.e a critic may have called a movie "outrageously bad but it had some good moments"-yet all you see in the paper is "outrageously" "good". More specific to this topic-there were portions of Pro-Jate comments by Evi taken out of interviews in Lost mag (namely the post ID issue which was Skate heavy) and the question is why? If not to ride the coat tails of the "Kate definitively chose Sawyer" hype for the 13 week hiatus, which obviously turned out not to be true. And we knew at the time too it couldn't be true b/c of the SHOW and how Kate said she can't leave w/o Jack.

Marketing, by definition is a game with the consumer. And again, it becomes about who is the better chess player. Do you buy everything you see just b/c they say its good or something is the current "it" trend..or do you make your own determinations based on the facts of your actual experiences w/the product."

Marketing is a chessgame? WTF?

Can this broad get any nuttier? I'm sure everyone's engaged in a tense strategic battle of wits with the advertizers over whether they have McDonalds or Burger King for lunch.

The Lost creators are playing a stealthy shipping game with us, only hyping the bad shit on the show, trying to peddle the couple that they know people aren't really interested? Say what? Why?

Banshee's forgetting that the DVDs' extras are just the icing on the cake after the horse has already bolted. See, Bansh, I can also horribly mix my metaphors. If you bought the freaking DVDs, then you've already succumbed to the hype and marketing, duh!

The post season commentaries help provide insight and clarification on the working processes of the actors and writers - they aren't a politicking venture designed to keep you guessing on what's coming next. Got that? The DVD's and commentaries will be around long after the show has finished airing and all speculation has mercifully ended.

Anyone eating what this idiot is shoveling needs their gullible little Bubble head examined.

The creative showrunners and the press media have become increasingly positive about the Sawyer/Kate relationship (getting more DVD commentary attention, great reviews and hype everywhere, winning polls etc.) and notably are NOT raving about Jate, NOT hyping it up in any positive way. It's barely registering on their radar at all, in fact.

But they're just working in cahoots with each other to fool us, not wanting to spoil the wonderful surprise for the audience that Jack and Kate really are the OTP?

Gimme a frakking break.

To quote fishbitch Helena's marketing professor:

"If you don't advertise, you don't exist!"

But hey, I've been told that Jack/Kate finally topped a couple poll again after making the TV Guide's Top Ten Most Annoying Couples for 2008.

They won the number one slot at Cinema Blend for Top Five Worst TV Romances:

Credit to Helena for this screen cap of the results so far in the readers poll:

Enjoy, Bubbles. Isn't it great you finally got another media attention? I'm sure you deserve more. Read more...

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Darlton Speak on that Spectacular Kiss in the Finale DVD Commentary

Huge thanks to Clarisse who transcribed the following for us from her season four DVD's (Lucky Brazilian's for getting their Lost fix first!):

Carlton: So this scene here was obviously one of our big and favorite moments in the story and you know. We're, you know, all season long we have been dealing with the, well, all show long we've been dealing with the romantic triangle between Kate and Jack and Sawyer, and for us this was a huge moment in that story, you know, we've seen actually in the show earlier this year that Jack and Kate got engaged in the future and now we're basically in a place where we know that that is coming up we know they'll sorta be together in the future. We know that Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic 6 and now we're actually gonna get to see how that actually all transpires. At least a part of it.

Damon: And most importantly we know that Kate and Jack's future relationship in fact that he proposes to her, she accepts his propposal, all comes apart because she is doing something for Sawyer and lying to Jack about it. And this scene, this is the last time Kate and Sawyer see each other before she leaves the island, so whatever it is he whispers to her obviously is what sort of catalyzes and ultimately destroys her relationship with Jack. As a result of that relationship being destroyed Jack starts popping pills and seeing his father and all these things, so this scene, Sawyer whispering to Kate actually is sort of a major critical plot -

Carlton: By the way, in a production level, those stuff actually dumping into the water, we actually see them splash dowm, I just, I never can see that enough.

Damon: This is awesome, I mean, again, you look at this scene, you go, you know, not to toot our own horn, because actually we're tooting the horn of the amazing production crew down in Hawaii, but all of this was shot in a period of 3 and a half weeks and it really has-, it's stuff like that that makes you feel like you're in a feature film

Carlton: This is where Sawyer tells Kate that she's got something, like, in her teeth

Damon: Yeah

Carlton: He tells her there's a green something-

Damon: She says "Why are you telling me this?". He says "Because I don't want you to get a cavity. Gengivitis could-"

Carlton: Now he sucks it out of her mouth

Damon: Oh my God, you're totally ruining the beauty of this moment.

Carlton: I think the people who watch the DVDs need to know a secret that they don't have to wait until season 5 to get.

(Sawyer jumps)

Damon: He says "Don't forget to rinse with Flourine" and jumps out.

Carlton: Now that was actually, that was no CG, that was a real stunt guy who jumped twice, once from about 85 feet and the second time from 105 feet out of a helicopter.

Damon: That's Josh Holloway in a pool at the Alaka'i, surfacing

Carlton: That shot was an amazing shot, this incredible stunt guy actually jumped over 100 feet from the helicopter into the ocean.

(Kate crying)

Damon: And that's a stunt tear that just came out of Kate's eye.

Carlton: No, that was a real tear.

These guys are a frakking riot. What a great way to floss. Give me Sawyer floss any day.

Flashbacks to the post- I Do podcast anyone? Love what they said here. How this was such an important seminal moment in the ongoing love story. How this "last kiss" and whispered promise ultimately destroyed Jack and Kate. Though, I kinda thought Jate killed Jate anyway, what with all the living in Denialville, the lies, distrust and borderline abusive undercurrents (which were nothing new).

Potato, potahto.

The important thing is that Darlton confirmed Jack and Kate's romantic relationship flat-lined in season 4 and I don't see any attempts to revive it or to talk it up as the epic romantic pairing on the show. While the frustrating triangle of doom may be here till the very last episode of the show, it seems pretty damned clear which couple is getting the big moments, the real hype and is being framed in an iconic way. Hint: It ain't Jack and Kate.

This comment was also golden:

"It's amazing that the beard stayed on after Kate's slap."


There's more at the Fishbiscuitland forum, so check out the spoiler section. Everyone should be kissing Clarisse's feet for taking the time to look through everything and report back to us. That deleted Surley scene sounds adorable.


Wednesday, September 17, 2008

What Every Man Needs

Hold the phone, people. According to a Bubblehead on the Fuse, Jack having a bender and going off his nut in a delusional jealous rage at his so-called beloved in SNBH was really all about the accessories and how sexy Foxy was. Kate? Who cares.

"Oh Lordy, where does one start? The unraveling of a fine man's soul into a toxic pit of rage, fear, shame, and self-loathing, and making all of the dark, twisted self-flagellation TOTALLY SMOKIN' HOT in that gorgeous suit he's got on, elegantly accessorized with all of those lovely booze bottles. Jack elevates drunken despair and self-hatred into a fixture at Men's Fashion Week in Milan. And Foxy, my God, he kicks so much booty in this scene that all of our collective behinds are all the way across the universe by now. Please, there really is no competition here."

You've got to be kidding, right? Right?

Seriously? The booze bottles are looking better than he is in that scene.

I can just picture the adverts now:

"Hi, I'm Jack Shephard. Survivor of Oceanic 6 and all round hero.

Being a borderline abusive shit while indulging in substance abuse is hard. It takes a lot of effort to maintain my image and stay on top of the competition.

While this can help:

And this:

And these:

What every man really needs to keep his woman coming back for more, are these:

And of course...

Barring some erectile dysfunction problems, psychotic breaks and restraining orders, that's all one needs to be the smoking hot man of any woman's dreams.

When all else fails, throw away your razor. You'll be swimming in booty in no time.

Hey, it works for me. I'm Jack Shephard, doctoring the truth since 2004."

And the Bubbles accuse Skaters and Sawyer fans of being the superficial ones; slobbering all over that nasty scummy crusty hillbilly conman and ignoring what the show is all about...

...uh, yeah.

Tuesday, September 9, 2008

Tales from the Fishelage: Is This Love?

As if we needed more grist for the mill, but if you had any doubts that the Jack/Kate relationship is about as unhealthy and un-romantic as TV romances can get, check out the following.

My darling little fishies have been industrious in compiling a two part vid that shows you exactly what is wrong with this couple.

Part deux of this awesome vid is here.

The inspiration for the vid was this site's questionnaire (found by TRoss):

Is This Love?

Makes you think, don't it?

Credit for this brilliant work goes to the talented Demy, Clarisse, May and Mylene.

The vids are already up on DarkUFO's site (be sure to go vote, you know the Bubblehead crazies will be all over it like flies on shit), but feel free to comment, debate, praise etc here too. Read more...

Saturday, September 6, 2008

Is Jack an Abuser?

Domestic abuse.

No one wants to talk about it. No one wants to tackle it head on.
And yet it seems to be a core theme in Kate's ongoing storyline on Lost.

Why not talk about it? Well, it's one of those hot button issues like abortion, racism, suicide and sanctioned torture. Try to discuss such topics with regard to a TV show and you're bound to get someone swooping in on their high horse of moral superiority claiming to speak for everybody else and attempting to shut down all dialogue with a few choice expletives.

Apparently raising awareness and trying to alert young women to some of the hallmark signs of potential domestic abuse by using a fictional character has no redeeming value. Apparently you have to have experienced it first hand and have the scars to prove it and out yourself in a public forum before you can offer up your opinions on the subject. Apparently no one is allowed to call a spade a spade without a certain contingent of fans getting their frilly panties in an outraged twist. Or in this case calling a controlling potentially abusive jerk of a character exactly what he is.

A controlling potentially abusive jerk.

I've been reading the recent comments being bandied about and brandished by various posters and my honest opinion?

It is a bit over the top to call the Jate crap abuse. It didn't last long enough to be truly abusive. But it's sick behavior with abusive tendencies, that would lead to abuse were it to continue. The point isn't that it's necessarily abusive behavior NOW. The point is that it's the total opposite of loving behavior. The big disconnect is in trying to pretend that this is a great love story. It's like saying Jack's alcoholism shows that he'd be a fun guy to party with.

It's the taking of such an unhealthy dynamic and trying to sell it as a true romance that is sticking in many people's craws.

So let's look at this infamous article that LostTVFan originally posted. Does it have merit as a checklist for Jack's more troubling behaviors? I think it does. Does Jack exhibit all of these all of the time and only with Kate? No. For instance, have we seen Jack physically strike Kate? Of course not. But you don’t have to have every single sign in order for there to be a tendency toward the problem. So what do we see in Jack?

Quick involvement
Many abused women dated or knew their abuser less than six months before they became engaged or began living together. He needs someone desperately and pressures you to commit to him. Unused to men's wanting commitment, many women believe that this is a sign of his love.

Jaters claim that Jack fell in love with Kate when she stitched him up in the Pilot. How long had they known each other? A good five minutes. Just a few days later, he is pressuring her to move to the caves with him. Hell, he assumes she is going to and get the rest of the Losties to go along until she says, “You haven’t convinced ME yet!” Pressuring for a commitment early in a relationship? Check.

Rigid sex roles
He sees women as inferior to men, more stupid, unable to be a whole person without a relationship. He expects you to obey him, to serve him, to stay home.

"No, you can’t come with us."
"No, you can’t have a gun."
"Go back, Kate."
"What are you doing here, Kate?"
"We’re done here."
"I told you not to come back for me and I wish you hadn’t."

Since when has Jack ever NOT expected Kate to obey him?
And check out her pantless, frilly gussied up version of herself in SNBH which is in stark contrast to her usual functional, simple almost tomboyish get up she wears on island and post SNBH.

Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde
He has "sudden" changes in mood. One minute he's nice, the next minute he explodes. Anything can set him off on a rampage.

Let us revisit the Glass Wall scene. Jack’s all smiles and sweetness until Sawyer’s name come up and then the veins begin to bulge and the shouting begins. Or how about his suddenly throwing the papers at Juliet? Sudden mood changes. Check again.

Blames others for his problems
Almost anything that goes wrong in his life is someone else's fault. He makes mistakes and blames you. Almost anything that goes wrong is your fault.

Whoo, boy howdy. Let’s see. It’s Kate’s fault that he didn’t get to go home on the sub, even though it was Locke who blew it up. It’s Sawyer’s fault that Shannon is suffocating even though Jack was too busy condoning torture to look for an alternative treatment like Sun did. He even blamed his father as a contributing factor to the failure of his marriage and practically every other shortcoming under the sun. Mr. Shift the Blame in action yet one more time.

Blames others for his feelings
When he becomes angry and abusive it's because "You made me mad. You're hurting me by not doing what I ask. I can't help being angry."

Kate in handcuffs, being left at the hands of murderous others and what does Jack say, “I told you not to come back and I wish you hadn’t.” Yep, his feelings are hurt and it’s all your fault, Kate. All. YOUR. Fault. You slept with the crusty hillbilly. Or moving won't tell me what you are doing for that good for nothing con man and that's making me mad so I have the right to yell at you.

Poor or negative self-image
Research has found that abusers have lower self-esteem and masculinity scores than other men tested. One researcher calls this a "failed macho complex." These men appear to over-compensate for what they see as their failure to live up to the masculine stereotype.

Even Jaters admit that Jack has low self-esteem. He has blown his father's talk about not handling failure into a consuming need to prove that he has what it takes. Fear that his father was right, and that he's not the big hero he's trying to be, makes him lash out and punish others. Another point on the list.

Verbal abuse
He says cruel and hurtful things. He implies you are stupid and unable to function without him.

Cutting off a conversation with “We’re done here” is the epitome of gentility in my book. It’s the best way to end a conversation with everyone feeling validated and affirmed, right? But just for good measure, how about “I’m the one who saved you” or “He’s not even related to you” or …"I'm not a murderer." Cruel and hurtful? Yeah, in my book.

He's constantly suspicious of any contact you have with other men at work or in social situations. He questions you about who you talk to, as his jealousy and possessiveness increase, he may call you frequently or drop by unexpectedly to check on you. He may refuse to let you work for fear you'll meet someone else, or even check your car mileage or ask friends to watch you.

Shall we revisit the stalking of Sarah or of Achara? What about demanding who Kate was talking to on the phone? What about his arriving unexpectedly home early, to check up on her? The way Jack handles jealousy in episodes like THP is to become a controlling immature dickwad for a long stretch. But hey, he just cares so much yanno.

Controlling behavior
At first, he says he's just concerned about you. He may throw a tantrum if you are a few minutes late coming home from work or the store, or question you closely about where you went, who you spoke to.

See above. And check.

He tries to cut you off from friends and family. He may restrict your use of the phone, limit your use of the car or prevent you from going to work or school.

“I’ve never heard of ….” As if Kate had to vet all her friends before she was allowed to go to the park with Aaron. Apparently Jack thinks so.


* Past abuse
You may hear from relatives or former partners that he is abusive.

Imagine Kate swapping stories with Sarah and Achara. Or even Christian. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

* Threats
He makes threats meant to control you.

“Put it on me!” Enough said.

* Any use of force during an argument
He may hold you down, restrain you from leaving a room, push or shove you, or hold you against a wall.

Let’s see, when have we seen Jack restrain someone from leaving? Oh yes, the infamous first Jate kiss. Hold against a wall? Wonder what Achara would say about that? Hell, yeah? Force during an argument? Apparently that little arrest for battering his dad doesn't count.

Let me give you some basic pointers about abuse.

Abuse almost always starts small and grows, so the idiotic Jater idea that it's abuse only when a guy pours gas on your head and threatens to light a match is asinine. Abuse starts with the cold stares, the demands for explanations, the cutting remarks, the withholding of affection or praise until the woman complies or apologizes. It doesn't start with a fist and a black eye. Just because a woman gets out before the relationship ends in broken bones, or a scorchmark on the garage floor doesn't mean the situation wasn't abusive.

Abusers aren't horrible 24/7. If they were, no one would stay with them at all. They can be the most loving, charming people on the planet when they are being "good." Jack obviously was on his very best behavior when he first moved in with Kate. Abuse comes in cycles which is why women think that the guy might just stay in the nice phase forever and are constantly shocked when he reverts to his shitty abusive tactics. But it's called the cycle of abuse for a reason--it's a cycle: nice, tense, irritable, blow-up, apologies, honeymoon and it all starts again. Jack fits this pattern. As long as Kate is being all pink panties and cute giggles, he is Mr. Wonderful. But once she stops being a reflection of his ego, tensions rise and we enter the grey area where abuse often begins.

Do not confuse sexual aggression in foreplay as sexual abuse. Often times, a true abuser isn't abusive sexually; in fact, that may be the best part of the relationship. He may be a very good lover and it may be only during times of sexual intimacy that his kind side is revealed, where sex is used as a reward and a way to convince his partner of the benefits of doing things his way. Many women who are in abusive situations have said the sex was the best part of it.

So to characterize abuse only in sexual terms or only as battering is to trivialize the experience of many woman. Not to mention, it contributes to the overall dynamics and problem by shifting the blame onto the victim. Why do you think so few cases are reported or that the problem often goes on for years? Because victims are conditioned to believe it is their behavior that's the problem and needs to be changed. That they are at fault for what is going on, and are trapped in a cycle of shame and low self esteem with the misguided need to fix what's 'wrong' with them. But don’t just take my word for it. Go visit and hear for yourself what abuse sounds like. If you have the stomach for it, that is.

But enough of the Public Service Announcement.
Let's look at some of the frankly laughable retaliatory responses that have been put forward by the Jacksters.

"If Jack's an abuser, I'm Joan of Arc."

Well, gosh, the spreadsheet queen has spoken. Say no more! You can take her word for it!

“Jack is not an abuser ... he was just angry ... he never abused Kate, they shouted but that doesn't make it domestic violence. Do you seriously think that if he was abusing her Kate would have said yes to his proposal! She was hardly walking on eggshells - she was ecsatic when he asked her... not afraid of him! Since when did Jack imply he was looking for a perfect little wife! Kate was the one who took the step towards him in Eggtown. ... I just don't see where you are coming from with your comments.”

Yep, he was just angry. And if his actions were to escalate, does he get another free pass because he was a just a little more angry? I don’t think that “just angry” is a legitimate defense in any court of law.

“Jack is, and has always been a good man. He's got a horrible self-image, and he blames himself for failures that many times are not even his to claim, but Jack is still a good man.”

Okay, so good men lie under oath, would commit murder if their guns hadn’t jammed, beat the crap out of their fathers, scream until the veins bulge on their necks, batter guys like Ben to a pulp, refuse to treat a patient because they got pissed off, give a cold shoulder to their own nephew, not to mention doing drugs and alcohol while on duty as a doc? If that’s a good guy, give me a bad one any day.

“I think it's quite obvious that even though Jack has displayed mild forms of abuse before, that he isn't an abuser, but maybe that's just you and I thinking such things.”

Huh? So this is like being a little pregnant? Where do you draw the line? Abuse is abuse, mild or not.

“I wonder if real abusers cry when people die or when their wife leaves them or when they find out they hurt their father deeply with their actions or when they find out their father really did love them?”

So Jack isn’t a potential abuser because he can cry? Go to any women’s shelter and ask how many times a boyfriend has sobbed and cried that he was oh so sorry and would she just come back…to the same old pattern of abuse. Tears do not absolve anything. Many abusers claim they only do what they do because they love and care about the victim so damn much.

Please note that these responses were in reply to a thread started posing the question whether Jack was a fully fledged abuser. Which is clearly designed to provoke a more knee jerk response, and dodges the valid question as to whether Jack displays abusive tendencies with regard to his relationship with women.

But the best is yet to come. I've seen Flyer, Weezil (and others) trying to do a bait a switch. Trying to claim that because Sawyer is extroverted in letting a woman know he wants her, and because he and Kate indulge in frisky sexual games that somehow this signifies he's the abuser.

Come on, we're all frakking adults here. We know the difference between mating rituals and sexual horseplay, and actions which are designed to control, bully or hurt a person. Who do you think you're fooling with all that hand waving misdirection? I'm not even going to bother trying to reply to their silly claims that Sawyer exposed his genitals to a poor defenseless Kate,

or that offscreen he might have picked out Kate's dress to demean her and other similar bullshit. It's just grasping at straws to take the heat off of the character of Jack.

And one more thing, if you're excusing Jack because you yell at your kids too much or were constantly yelled at growing up, maybe something should have been done about that. Yelling at children IS abusive. It's not the same as hitting them in the head, but no one deserves to be screamed at. If screaming at your child is the only way you can get their attention or their obedience, then maybe you ain't doing it right. There may be times when a parent has to speak loudly and firmly, but that's WAY different than habitually yelling at a child. Who are you defending? A fictional character, or your own behavior? Think about it.

Think about what you're saying when you claim that it's only abuse if the guy's beating down your door, putting fists through windows, terrorizing the kids, putting bruises on you and so on. It's feeding a culture where women feel obligated to tough it out, and stay in destructive and potentially harmful relationships rather than seeking help or getting the hell out of dodge BEFORE things get as bad as described as above.

Something must be hitting home with all of this discussion of abuse. The way some feel the need to stridently defend Jack's behavior and prove that he isn't an abuser actually reminds me of someone who is being abused and protects the abuser at all cost. The hyperbole, the attempts to deflect the argument and the refusal to see bad behavior as bad are quite classic behaviors of someone in an abusive relationship.

Perhaps deep down the Jaters are aware that Jack is, in fact, borderline abusive, or at least a control freak with violent and addictive tendencies. However, they deeply identify with this character and find him attractive. This fundamental conflict--being attracted to a bad man when you see yourself as a good woman--creates an uncomfortable level of cognitive dissonance. In order to resolve it, and being unwilling to give up the attraction to the Jack character, they must, by necessity, turn Jack into a good man at all cost and refuse to acknowledge his abusive tendencies. Similarly, for many women trapped in abusive relationships and yet still in love with their partner, the only choices are to leave the situation or to minimize it. Almost all women go the minimizing route in the beginning. That's exactly what the Jaters are doing here.

Attempting to eradicate any discussion of the behavior entirely, yelling Spartacus, denying what is presented and twisting the ugliness to make it seem beautiful is being disingenuous at best, frakking stupid at worst.

While it's true that there are two sides to every story, and that the failures of Jack and Kate should not be laid solely at Jack's feet, one has to wonder at the prevailing attitude in some camps that continue to assert that Kate had it coming. That any mistreatment, aggression, domination or punishment by Jack onto Kate over the past four seasons has been warranted. It's pretty sad to see female posters taking the same mentality that abusers often adopt. That if the woman would just do what she's told, and not screw up, or do anything to disappoint or anger the man, things would be just fine and dandy.

That's pure bat guano. Plain and simple.


"Jack wouldn't harm anyone, emotionally or physically"

Holy blinkered delusions, batman. You know I get accused of giving undue criticism of Jack, and hero worshipping Sawyer to an extreme, but I ain't got nothing on this broad. She takes bias to a whole new plane. I want what she's smoking, STAT. What does the show have to say about that idiotic claim?

The whole declaration of St. Jack as the most noble man on the island and who would never hurt anyone is beyond absurd. As is the idea that Damon loves Jack too much to make him an abusive character. Hell, writing a character who is the hero but is so deeply flawed as to be a drug addict, alcoholic and possible abuser is in my opinion a marvelously risky creative venture. If I were Damon I'd be damn proud of myself for having done just that and done it successfully.

Your thoughts?