Saturday, March 7, 2009

FLOWER POWER



"The ideal man bears the accidents of life with dignity and grace, making the best of circumstances. " -Aristotle

It's no surprise to those of us who have always loved this guy, but when it comes to True Heroes on Lost, Sawyer has always been the real deal. This week, however, he was more than just a mere hero. He was, in every sense of the word that I can think of, the ideal man.



Kind and gentle



but brave and protective.



Noble and honorable



but wily and adaptable.



Helpful and neighborly,



sweet and funny,



but still hotter than the hinges of holy hell.



It's not fair to hold any real man to these kind of standards. OK, the flower sniffing thing was way over the top. And yes, the whole cotton candy daydream with Juliet in ticky tacky town was sweet enough to send us all into a diabetic coma. But that was all very much to the point. This wasn't reality we visited this week. The whole sticky sweet thing was entirely too good to be true.



And as we all know, when things are too good to be true...they're not.



When Locke wrenched the big Dharma gear back onto its ancient axis, he unleashed one final, penultimate Timequake on our travelers, which landed them not into some super thrilling spot on the time space grid, like when dinosaurs roamed the earth or when aliens first descended to earth to start making crop circles. Nope. The record stopped skipping in the very prosaic year of 1974.



And this wasn't the 1970s of Star Wars and Studio 54 and Led Zep and Saturday Night Live either. This was more like the 1970s of the Brady Bunch and Neil Diamond and earth shoes and pet rocks. The really sleepy, boring part of the 1970s. When everybody was getting stoned on hash brownies while numbing out in front of the boob tube.



" A single taste of this native fruit made my soldiers forget everything they had ever known; where they were from, where they were going, everything" - The Odyssey



Like Odysseus's sailors among the Lotus Eaters, our time travelers seemed to be under a spell. They molded themselves into Dharma material and melted into bland, comfy niches in the humdrum of Utopia. Jin learned English and became a loyal deputy. Dead people stopped harassing Miles and he took a nice steady day job. Juliet, as we've seen her do before, adapted to new circumstances by snagging the hottest blond in circulation and by finding a new way to make herself useful.



Everything was just so totally groovy, man. And about as exciting as an episode of Happy Days, where the Fonz has to tell Richie's girlfriend he lost her charm bracelet. However, just before the final Timequake stranded them in this blissful Snoozeville, our travelers were given a glimpse of a vision whose meaning, if they had understood it, might have served as fair warning that this whole idyllic interlude had TEMPORARY stamped all over it.



That proud towering statue, we all know, has since been reduced to one stubby four toed foot. Debate rages in the fandom as to which famous Egyptian god or goddess the statue was intended to represent. Was it Horus the falcon headed God of both The Sky and of War?



The god whose unimpressive namesake stumbled through a good bit of this episode?



Or Anubis the God of the Dead, who protects souls on their journey to the underworld?



How about Sekhmet, the Warrior Goddess, "the Mistress of Dread, who gives life eternally"?



All possibilities, but it's unlikely it will turn out to be any of them. This is Lost. They can make up their own pseudo Egyptian deity. These gods are all kind of a Mr. Potato head thing anyway. Basically, put some animal ears and a miniskirt on a longhaired ambisexual person, give them some kind of metaphysical property of the universe to govern ... and, Presto! You've got yourself a brand new supernatural spirit.



Let's call him Sawkhot, the God of Lost Souls Enslaved by Time and Space.

The ancient Egyptian death obsession is very much a part of the clue soup on Lost. We're used to hieroglyphs popping up in strange places. Like Daniel's map, whose hieroglyphs apparently suggested he might want to "travel north".



Or the sequence that briefly flashed on the Swan hatch countdown clock during the failure sequence, which intrepid translators have determined has the approximate meaning of "Underworld".



Or the message on Ben's hideaway, which translates as "summon protection".



Or the one in the frozen wheel room, which means, unsurprisingly, "time travel." Or alternately, "resurrection."



It's kind of a morse code of Lostspeak. Basically, like the polytheist polyglot of Egyptian mythology, these hieroglyphs, when looked at in a general sense, are all hinting at the same thing - Time. Space. Death. And "Let's get the hell out of here." Unfortunately, even on an island with a time blooping wheel in the basement, they're all still enslaved by time and space. No matter how pretty this little greenhouse utopia might have seemed,



nothing changes the fact that it still ended up like this.



Because if there's one thing that's been drummed into our heads in Season Five, it's this: Whatever happened, kiddies, it damn well happened.



Daniel is the only one who seems to realize just how horrifying this mantra actually is. Foreknowledge isn't a gift; it's a curse, because it only means you're going to know ahead of time, maybe for years, exactly what horrors you won't be able to prevent.



The Time Lawz of Lost tell us that our gang has flash forwarded backwards into an Island era that ... somehow ... they were always a part of. See? Amy was always saved from the brutal Hostiles by the brave sea captain and his band of shipwrecked salvage workers.



Juliet was always the magical blonde grease monkey who jumped out from under the transmission to perform a flawless Cesarean section and deliver Amy's healthy baby boy.



And the truce between the D. I. and the hostile indigenous people was always saved by the shipwrecked sea captain, Jim LaFleur, who made himself at home and became their sheriff.



The tiger formerly known as Sawyer changed his stripes as easily as he slipped into a khaki jumpsuit. Time may have stopped, but that doesn't mean things have stopped changing. James Sawyer Ford LaFleur still knows how to turn himself into whoever he needs to be. But what made him pick the name LaFleur?



"The flowers have been growing thorns for millions of years. For millions of years the sheep have been eating them just the same. And is it not a matter of consequence to try to understand why the flowers go to so much trouble to grow thorns which are never of any use to them? " - The Little Prince



La Petite Fleur is the reason The Little Prince left his planet, Besixdouze, to roam the universe in search of a way to keep her from being destroyed. But Sawyer probably wasn't thinking of that. He probably wasn't thinking that an Orchid is a Flower either, or that the Orchid is the name of the hatch where the D.I. is trying to keep the beast of time trapped in a bottle that is doomed to shatter.



Sawyer probably wasn't thinking that it was the lotus flower that hypnotized Odysseus's men into forgetting their homes either. Who knows? For all we know, maybe he was just a fan of Dodgeball and the great Pete LaFleur.



But either way, it doesn't matter. The symbolism was clear. Flowers don't last.



"And if you can't be with the one you love, honey,
love the one you're with."
- Stephen Stills



Our trusty Lost romance writers gave us another Cliff Notes love story this week. Taking two characters with virtually no connection in the story prior to this season, the writers crafted a surprisingly convincing schematic of a romance told in shorthand. Juliet had Sawyer's back. She trusted him. He asked her to stay. And Bam! Next thing you know, they're an old married couple enjoying the joys of the status quo in Othertown.



It was an interesting counterpart to the parallel by-the-numbers romance we saw in last season's Something Nice Back Home.



Like Kate and Jack in that episode, there was no buildup, no passion, no excitement to it. We were just dumped in media res into a domestic daily show already in progress. Unlike Kate and Jack, however, Sawyer and Juliet actually seemed to be good to each other. No weird ass marriage proposals, no drunken tirades, no vile recriminations, no secret keeping, no lies.



These two were Mr. and Mrs. Schmoopy. They were so schmoopy the only thing they had to talk about was whether he was the schmoopiest or if she was even schmoopier.



Until that phone call came, and you could almost see Sawyer's heart jump into his throat.



Reality came calling soon enough, as it always does, and the bubblegum story of Sawyer and Juliet looks like it's just about to get popped.



To be more precise, it wasn't actually Juliet and Sawyer we were watching. Much as it pains me to accept it, I guess we're not supposed to be calling him Sawyer anymore. It seems we have to call him James now, whether we want to or not. But whatever his name is, we do have to call him Hero.



He jumped into the well to save Locke, but when he realized that couldn't work, he was as faithful as a knight. He would wait for Locke to return. How long? "As long as it takes." He took charge, but not in an asshole Jack-assy way. He just offered his best guess and was open to suggestions. The first thing our newborn Leader encountered, naturally, was a damsel in distress.



He saved her life, followed her wishes by burying her two attackers, carried her husband's body home to her humble village and was taken to their leader. While the other survivors waited outside the infamous Gameroom of Bondage, Horace knew instinctively which one of them was the fearless leader.



All the conman's skills came effortlessly into play, as he smoothly segued from one artifice to the next, trying to ingratiate himself into the Dharma Initiative's good graces. Unsuccessful at first, he proved his salt a few moments later when Richard entered the camp, demanding justice for the death of his men.



James surfed the rapidly shifting circumstances like the professional conman we almost forgot he was. Richard did not know what hit him. First, the stranger who knew his name owned up straight out to the murder of Richard's men. Then he mystified the magic man himself by reminding him of the gimpy bald guy who had poofed into and out of Richard's camp 20 years before. Having made his bones with the Dharma Initiative, James and his dimples quickly nailed down the heart of the lady doctor and disappeared into Timepsace to re-emerge as the sheriff he'd once promised he'd be.



OK, it wasn't as hot as when he was all dangerous, stealing guns and tortured kisses. And yeah, the only people that are afraid of him now are these guys.



And yes, there was that unfortunate flower sniffing incident. It's not what I call a thrilling new incarnation for the sexy outlaw. I understand even Han Solo needs to take a rest now and then, but I think one episode of Mike "Sawyer" Brady will be quite enough, thank you. The classic American Western hero may long for domestic tranquility, and of course that's part of his manly charm, but there's no fun in watching him actually live that way.



James was trying to be steadfast, to hold true to his promise to Locke. He was the anti-Jack. Whereas Jack's group, fondly known as the O-Suckers, went back to reality and became a bunch of selfish, miserable assholes, James's group stuck together and took care of each other. Under the direction of Captain Jim, Jin faithfully patrolled the island, sector by sector, searching for the return of their missing crew.



Three years passed and James never gave up looking. This would be, quite obviously, the opposite of what Mr. Live Together Die Alone chose to do. He just never bothered for one day to look for his lost friends, to find out what happened to them, to see if they needed his help. Jack did exactly nothing. Nada. Zip. In the three years that have passed since Ben turned the Dharma Wheel, while one leader has grown,



the other has shrunk.



I have to admit, I can't wait to see how that plays out.



And it won't be long until we do see it, of course. Because time marches on and every fool gets enslaved by it in the end.



Only hours after Charlotte moved on through the gates of the afterlife, baby Charlotte waved innocently at a mournful, resigned Daniel. Paul's widow gave away her husband's body and then gave birth to Horace's son.



The endless round of birth and death is not going to ever stop turning. And it's always going to be a bitch trying to figure out what part of Time's vile vortex we're currently caught up in.



The ankh is one of those infinitely layered symbols that fit so well into the Lostverse. Perhaps modeled after the design of the lifegiving Nile, it has many meanings, but comes back around to the same general theme of our story - birth within death, death transcended, life seeking infinite form. Egyptians and their army of gods were famous for their preoccupation with the rituals of death and of passage to the Underworld.



The penultimate god of that populous mythology was Ra, the Sun God, Supreme Commander of the Sky, the Earth and the Underworld that Awaits Us All. Now Richard Alpert's initials, as many have noted, are R.A. And like the ancient Egyptians, he's in touch with his feminine side, at least when it comes to eye makeup.



I don't think there's much doubt at this point that the man does not age, and I'm having a hard time seeing how he's not immortal. But why did he demand Paul's body as justice for the murder of his men? Was there some creepy burial ritual or sacrifice that needed to be performed? And why were his men brutalizing Amy and her husband in the first place?



At what point in time was Richard's group forced into the wilderness? Widmore said he'd lived 30 peaceful years on the Island, so presumably he was still there when the Dharma Initiative arrived like imperialist colonizers to build their presumptuous little utopia. We can assume there were conflicts at first, that the flaming arrow throwers were subdued and a truce negotiated. So where does the arrival of Boy Ben fit into this timeline?



When the Island schoolroom was disrupted by a gunbattle outside the gates, was that before this truce was made or after it was broken?



Did Ben know the legend of the stranger Jim LaFleur that wandered into town to save the peace? Did he know about the lady mechanic with the mysterious OB/GYN skills? When did pregnancy become a death sentence?



When did the Island morph into a place that roamed through timespace visible only through the ultra-sensitive detections of a massive swinging pendulum? When did everybody stop using the submarine as an express train back to reality?



When did Richard rethink his hairstyle?



What happened to Olivia, who came to the Island with hairy Horace? Did he dump her for a younger trophy wife?



When Amy is in bed with Horace, does she sometimes make believe he's really Tony Almeida?



Ahem.



But seriously, it does seem like there was a time when the Island was a much more mundane sort of place. And it seems that this moment in time, this time when Sheriff LaFleur was in his prime, was the moment in time when something happened to change all that. Because everything changes.



Now, as everyone knows, the sweet harmony of time travel has only one natural enemy - the Paradox Monster. In order for any time travel story to stay true to its own loopy Rulez, some unbreakable conventions must abide. For one thing, no one can ever meet themselves in the same physical place.



Juliet could not get on that 1974 sub, not just because the yummiest man on earth was asking her to stay, but also because if she went back to 1974, she'd be fighting her 5 year old self for her parents' attention. And that would just be weird. Similarly, the Ben that fell out of Flight 316 can't show up in the same dusty yellow town where little Ben is still playing dolls with little Annie.



And while the time travelers can do anything they want to do, since Whatever Happened, Happened, they can't change anything that already happened. You get that? They can't, for instance, smother Little Ben with a pillow, tempting as that might be, because then there would have never been a Big Ben to turn the wheel and send them back in time to smother him. In other words, it seems like if you could somehow keep jumping forward in time to do things that couldn't be changed, then nothing in the past could ever kill you, and you'd be damn near immortal. Maybe that's what those Egyptians were trying to get at and maybe that's why they made this Wonky Time Island their kingdom.



But for now, we still have a lot to figure out. Here's what I think.



The rope Sawyer was left holding in the time when the statue still stood was the signal to the ancient indigenous people, Richard's people, to dig the well. When they dug the well, they found the magic portal of time and doodled some hieroglyphics on the wall above the wheel they built, in that magical way that ancient people constructed astronomical wonders like Stonehenge or the Sphinx.



Centuries passed and the Dharma Initiative arrived, triggered by reasons yet unknown, and built a utopian society of conformist drones who labored to uncover the lost secret of the wheel. We didn't see what job Daniel was assigned, but I'm guessing this is when he found his calling as a Mine Engineer.



But by who and when and why was the well filled back in?



Richard Alpert isn't just a monogram for Ra. It's also the birth name of the 1960s guru of hippy spirituality, Ram Dass, whose teachings can be summed up in a simple motto: "Be here now."



The only way to stop the merciless march of time is to stop trying to stop it. But that's something that James Sawyer Ford LaFleur doesn't need to be told. It's his instinct to go with the flow and make the best deal you can in any circumstance. It doesn't mean he has any control over outcomes, of course.



There were pretty flowers outside of his little cottage, but there were also pretty flowers around the murder scene of Amy's husband.



The only power of the flower is its momentary charm. Flowers don't last. And neither will Sawyer's con.



Our clever triangle toymakers went meta a few times this week, like when they built a neat little story within a story. Amy had lost Paul, the man she'd loved passionately. She settled for the safe, traditional dude, a nice enough schlub, but the type of guy who occasionally gets drunk



and blows up a tree here and there.



Still Amy keeps a piece of her broken heart hidden away in her own private drawer, never mentioning it, never letting on that she still has it, that she's still thinking of her lost love. Since Horace is the kind of snoopy jackass who pokes around in his wife's private stuff, he learned that he'll always be in competition with that memory, and he snapped. But Conman LaFleur came to his rescue.



In one of his new roles as Dharma marriage counselor, James was able to smoothly con Horace into believing that three years was long enough to get over someone. Absolutely.



But one look at his face, as cloudy as the ocean sky before a storm, and you could see that he hadn't been able to con himself. The face he'd laid awake nights trying to forget? The one that he had convinced himself was never coming back? Ever? That face he couldn't even remember at all anymore? The face that launched a thousand ship wars? Well, guess what?



Looks like Jimmy LaFleur can kiss that make believe life goodbye. Nothing lasts, except memory.



And it doesn't take a hieroglyph decoder to tell that he hasn't forgotten so much as a freckle.

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow - Brava, Fish! Excellent recap! It was so nice to see Sawyer/James get his due as a leader and hero. It's been building for a long time, and this was a very nice payoff.

I agree that the Dharma life was a bit too sweet, but the thing I really, really liked about it was the effect that being respected and genuinely cared for had on James. No one barged into his home/tent demanding things from him and threatening him. No one insulted him and his general worth as a human being. No one messed with his head, acting loving one minute and insane the next. Instead, people listened to him and supported him (especially Juliet, in very stark contrast to Kate), and he, well ... bloomed. Blossomed. Flowered. Whatever. It was a beautiful thing to see after all the hell he's been through.

I have to say, as much as I had looked forward to The Reunion, when the 3 showed up, I just wanted them to go away. All of them. They sucked all the energy out of the episode, without saying a word. If it hadn't been for the look on Sawyer's face - another of his heart-rending expressions - it would have been a terrible ending.

I'm looking forward to the clash of wills between Sawyer and Jack, and, hopefully, Jack getting his ass handed to him, but I'm afraid to trust TPTB any more than I could trust Ben.

Marisa said...

Fish!

This was an excellent recap! You brought out some things that I haven't seen any other recapper mention yet: why "Lafleur?" I loved how you used a blurb from 'The Little Prince' and how you brought in Odysseus and the Orchid Station. Very well done!

However, I have to say, I LOVED the domesticated Sawyer much better than the "badass" Sawyer. Maybe I'm just getting old! LOL!

At any rate, it was great just to see him happy. Maybe the relationship with Juliet won't last - but it was so nice to see them HAPPY; in stark contrast with how the O6 were doing for the past 3 years. I can barely wait until the next episode!

So glad to see your doing well! I was starting to worry about you. :)

Anonymous said...

I'm with you Fish. I don't want to see a neutered housebroken Sawyer either. I don't even want to call him James. It's so sad to see him giving husbandy pecks to Juliet as the boring wifey type.

Sawyer always had a heart of gold even as a bad boy. He didn't need to be turned into a housepet to make that obvious.

I love your take on it. And I really think you've hit the nail on the head.

Anonymous said...

I always love your recaps as you know Fishbiscuit, but I particularly LOVE this one. Flower power indeed! Excellent analogy with the flower. Beautiful while it's in season and blooming, but its bloom doesn't last forever. Perfect description for the likely short-termed bubblegum affair for Sawyer and Juliet. Since it never stays peaceful and happy for these characters, and now that Kate's back in town, I somehow can't see Sawyer/Juliet lasting forever more. "Nothing lasts, except memory." Absolutely. Bring on the Kate love and bring back the Skate love soon! I want to see the face that launched a thousand ship wars start on her course back to the one true ship she's happiest in.

LOL at Sawkhot, the Egyptian Lost God.

~ Midnight

Anonymous said...

Awesome recap, Fish, and highly anticipated I might add! And as nice as it was to see Sawyer, er, James, uh, Jim happy and respected, I really miss the old Sawyer, too. And I'm sorry, but I just can't believe the number of so-called Skaters who have jumped ship in favor of Suliet after just one episode which was basically a short hand version of their romance. I almost barfed when he gave her the flower. Sweet gesture but so friggin sappy. I've just never been a huge Juliet fan and I don't see the chemistry there at all. The reunion was touching. I had tears in my eyes when Jack and Hurly practically stepped aside for Kate and the Sawyer/Kate love theme started playing. Loved your spin on things. Laughed out loud over the "face that's launched a thousand ship wars! Glad you're O.K. You had lots of worried fans!
Shea

Seabiscuit said...

I'm loving "Ra" as an anagram for Richard Alpert. I hope that's not just a coincidence.

People can say "Oh but he's so haaaapppyyyyy!!!" all they want. That was not the Sawyer I know and love. That was neutered, watered-down, tamed Sawyer. IOW just Jim LaFleur. *yawn*

Nothing against Juliet but I hope Suliet crashes and burns right soon. I want back my scruffy, feral con-man who's in love with a wild, fickle bitch.

Excellent recap as always!

Anonymous said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I absolutely love this post. In fact, I really do love all of your recaps. I love your comments about Sawyer and Kate. They really speak to me. I love how you ended the post with Sawyer's face as he saw Kate. His expressions are so much better than Jackface. Thanks again!

Flaknitter01 said...

I agree with Anonymous posted at 5:14. Jate sucks, but so does Skate, and it has more to do with Kate than anything else. Yes, the Osuxers did suck the life out of the episode as soon as they arrived. I hardly see domesticated Sawyer as being neutered and boring - I see it as the sum of all his experiences, and a sweet, willing acceptance of love and partnership. This is what he has wanted - he asked Kate to join him "playing house" in New Otherton in "Eggtown" and she refused. Sawyer has been seeking a life of consistency and normalcy - he has wanted a home, and now he has it with Juliet, a woman who will both challenge and support him. Kate never had that ability. Kate = douchebag

anonymous said...

Terry.O.Locke says this...

I was watching this show quite a while before Fish started recaps. And she and I feel exactly the same way about the characters. I can't wait to see how it plays out either. But I can't stop thinking about the very first scene with Jack's eye. He has long been hallowed the 'hero' which to me means that Sawyer will be around right up until the end where he sacrifices himself for that damned woman.

Recaps don't get any better than this.

lenan said...

great great great recap!

that's exactly how i feel.
thank you.

Anonymous said...

I really have to wonder what all these fans of domestic Sawyer ever liked about this guy in the first place. And to those who think it's just wonderful that he's now an old hubby with nanny Juliet - are you sure you're watching LOST? Do you honestly think that's the kind of story this is?

Since when do people get excited over a romance told in 10 minutes, with no sex, no passion, no nothing? If this is what Sawyer's character has been leading up to, all I can say is, what a WASTE. This is the hottest friggin man on tv today. Why anybody wants to see him consistent, normal, sweet, partnered, supported, etc is beyond me. In fact, it's mindboggling. This is the definition of dead end for any character, let alone a sexy swashbuckler like Sawyer.

The Lost fandom has sounded like a bunch of grandmas the past few days the way they've been swooning over this dull nothing of a side story.

Jane Primrose said...

I do have to pick a nit. Richard Alpert is not supposed to be wearing eye makeup, Egyptian or otherwise. The actor who plays him has pointed out that this is his natural colouring, he just looks like he has eyeliner on, and this is borne out by the fact that he looks exactly the same in The Dark Knight.
Personally, I'm happy for Juliet and Sawyer. I never thought they had great chemistry, but what matters to me is that they're actually treating each other well. That's what I want for a character I like (Sawyer) - and for a character I detest (Kate), well, she can go fall down a hole. I don't care if it's more dramatic if they are having love angst all over the place. I'm fed up with that whole story - it has dragged on for ever and only one person in the love triangle is actually give-a-shit-able. There are plenty more sources of drama and Dharma in LOST than that mess.

Anonymous said...

Sounds great, Jane Primrose. Who needs chemistry or passion or sensuality in tv romance? Dull and sexless is the way to go! Especially when you've got a smoking hot romantic actor like Josh Holloway to waste on it.

Sawyer and Juliet suck. Get it over with and give Sawyer his edge back. I feel sorry for Josh having to play his character this way. You could feel his disappointment in that recent interview.

Anonymous said...

7:55 and 8:25- complete and utter WORD.

People can say Kate's going to "mess things up" til they're blue in the face for all I give a shit. If Kate "messing things up" means getting the real Sawyer back, AND our beautifully sexy and passionate Skate back, then BRING IT ON, Freckles!

Anonymous said...

Seeing that whiny, empty-headed, spoiled bimbo in the last minute of this episode made me want to jam a chopstick in my eye. I don't know where my hate of Kate begins and my hate of Evangeline ends, really.

Seabiscuit said...

" I'm loving "Ra" as an anagram for Richard Alpert. I hope that's not just a coincidence."

Er, monogram, not anagram. Oi.

Mary said...

"Er, monogram, not anagram. Oi."

Well, technically RA is more of an acronym for Richard Alpert than a monogram.

I'm so with the person who said they don't know where their Kate hate ends and their Lilly hate begins.

Nice recap! I love the part about time traveling to the future to insure your life to that point.

I'll admit- I'm not head over heels for bad boy Sawyer or tame man Lafleur. Been there, done that, both extremes. I'd take mystery man Alpert or tough but sensitive Sayid over him anyday. Or Desmond. No adjectives needed.

d said...

Thanks for the review Fish. Knowing you’re a Sawyer fan, I was looking forward to reading it and there is a lot to like. Of course, you’re also a skater, so I was wondering how you would spin the James/Juliet romance and you didn’t disappoint. It was obviously not the highlight of the episode for you. I have to admit I’m strictly a Sawyer fan and love seeing him with anyone where there is mutual respect, appreciation and love. So unlike you, I absolutely loved this episode. It is not only my favorite Sawyer episode, but my favorite episode of the series. I have already watched it 10 times in 3 days. For the first time Sawyer is shown as the complete hero Jack was supposed to be and he is with a woman who seemed to truly love him.

Why don’t I care about Skate? Well probably for the same reason a lot of Sawyer fans don’t. Kate’s fickle nature and the selfish way she uses men. I just keep remembering how Sawyer asked “the love of his life” Kate to stay with him at the barracks in season 4 and she answered with a surly “How long do you think we can play house?”, then she used him and left him to go back to the beach and Jack. When Sawyer asked Juliet to stay with him and “watch his back”, she only had to think a few seconds before agreeing, even though she had desperately wanted to leave the island for over 3 years. To me that says volumes about these 2 women.

I agree the lead up to the romance between James and Juliet is weak because there just aren’t 3 ½ seasons left to devote to it like there was for Sawyer/Kate. Basically, they covered 2 days out of 3 years in the episode (a start point and an end point). Initially, I didn’t think the chemistry between the 2 actors was particularly strong either. But then I realized, they haven’t had much time to develop a chemistry in just a few episodes. In spite of that, after watching the episode several times, the chemistry between them began to grow on me and unless Kate’s character grows and matures dramatically (and seeing her sleep with Jack just to keep him from asking questions about Aaron and make herself feel better shows me she hasn’t yet), I’m firmly in the Suliet camp. James deserves a woman who loves only him and has his back; not one who runs off to another man at the drop of a hat.

As far as losing his edge, I don’t think so. When the times call for it, he will have it in spades. I don’t know why anyone finds this side of Sawyer bland. Having an edge doesn’t mean he has to revert to season 1 Sawyer does it? I personally loved seeing the fully evolved Sawyer; the outsider becoming a respected, trusted member of a community. This is, no doubt, the ultimate dream of a lonely traumatized and abandoned child. As Sawyer said in the pilot. “I’m a complex guy, sweetheart!” I love this Sawyer.

Anonymous said...

You summed up my feelings about this episode so well. I really enjoyed the Sawyer/Juliet, but oh man, you could just tell that bubble was going to burst at any time. And three years was definitely not long enough!

Jane Primrose said...

'd': Thank you, you expressed my opinion much more clearly than I had the energy to do at the time of commenting! Far from a true 'love of his life,' the relationship with Kate has always struck me as one that Sawyer will one day look back on and wonder what the hell he was thinking. She really is an awful woman, and she leaves a trail of destruction through other people's lives. I don't find their connection beautiful, sexy *or* passionate - as my original comment tried to express, I find their relationship dull and frustrating, and their sex scenes cringeworthy.

Anonymous said...

Not surprising that people either love or hate Sawyer and Juliet together. I liked them together, not loved, and I don't expect it to last. However, it was nice to see him happy for a change.

I disagree that Sawyer was bland. As others have said, there was limited time to tell the story - they had to get the whole thing into a single episode, and they did make a point of saying at the beginning that people didn't want to piss off LaFleur.

There is undoubtedly angst and pain ahead for Sawyer, now that Kate is back. I've always loved their chemistry together, but it will take a long time for her to redeem herself, in my eyes. And in part because she's been so terrible to him, I liked seeing an example of how the way someone is treated affects who they are. I agree with the person who said that this is an abandoned, abused child's dream. That Sawyer has pushed everyone away before showed that he didn't believe he was worthy of love. This gave him a glimpse that he is, and I don't think he's lost his edge at all. I think this will simply make him stronger with both Kate and Jack. He's the leader of this particular situation, not Jack-Ass, and he's (hopefully) not going to let Kate push him around at all.

Anonymous said...

I think the problem that d and Jane Primrose are having is that they think this is a show about people who should find some nice healthy relationship to grow old in, rather than a crazy show about crazy things happening to crazy people. I think they need to go find a nice boring soap opera to watch because Lost - and this review - have clearly gone over their heads.

Great review, Fish. I'm glad that SOMEONE out there got this episode. What a bunch of shallow, unimaginative dolts make up this audience.

OutraJess said...

Wow, this recap is just what I was looking for. With most fans/fan sites going gaga over Suliet, it's been tough on dedicated SKaters like myself to remain positive!

A very reassuring recap that's for sure, one that made me feel more secure about what's to come for SKate. Thank you, Fish!

I liked Jack's cameo at the end. He was glad to be back, looking almost appreciative and didn't seem to mind about Sawyer and Kate seeing each other once more. Usually the camera cuts to a jealous look from him, but this time he just watched. :) I must admit I liked seeing Jack and Sawyer reunite as much as SKate or Surley. Hopefully these two become allies rather than distant acquaintances this season.

I also hope Kate tells Sawyer what Jack said about him in Something Nice Back Home, although that will probably ruin any chances at becoming allies lol.

I noticed the dark clothing the O6...I mean O3, were wearing, in contrast to the brighter/tan colors most of the characters wore in that episode. The O3 looked dull and depressing, like they were dressed for a business meeting. Just seeing Sawyer seemed to wake them up a bit. Jack was happy, Hurley was in awe and Kate looked ALIVE again.

The only benefit I can now think of for having '316' ahead of 'Bentham' is seeing the HUGE and immediate contrast of Kate around Jack in '316' to Kate around Sawyer in this episode. Most people will have forgotten Kate in 316 by now, which is a shame.

I also thought I heard Kate sigh a little when smiling at Sawyer. A sigh of relief perhaps?

Anonymous said...

Hey, Fish, Ack Attack sees how ICK the whole Suliet junk is. Not all Lost fans want to see Sawyer turned into a neutered househusband. Don't worry. I'm sure the writers don't plan to ruin Sawyer or waste the awesome Josh Holloway on this snoozefest. You understand that the whole point was that it's temporary. It's not your fault so many Lost fans are as dense as wood.

A romance without chemistry is like a comedy without laughs. These Suliet freaks need to go find a different show because they have NO idea what the point of this one is.

annebeth said...

That's not true, I think. I think the people you call shallow are just invested in the characters (this show isn't just all mystery, allthough that would have been neat) and therefore their happiness. I agree with you in that I too, think that very few people on this show will end up happy with a normal life in the end, but is it wrong to wish that they had?

I liked the sawyer juliet thing btw, even though I'm more into the show for the mythology and I don't consider myself a shipper, thank god. But the whole James/Juliet thing was nice for same reasons commenters before me stated. The most prominent one: Kate doesn't deserve Sawyer, Juliet does.

annebeth said...

my reaction was to anonymous 2:51 btw

Anonymous said...

Sawyer and Juliet were shown for TEN MINUTES. Maybe not even. There was no chemistry, no passion, no depth, no nothing. And the herd of old ladies are all jumping on to say this shows that Sawyer is being truly loved? Do you want to WATCH a story or just hear about a story you're never going to see? That's what this was.

The shallow, unimaginative Suliet fans are just silly because they don't understand Lost. But the Jaters are cracking me up. They are so happy about the reaction to Suliet because now the fandom hates BOTH halves of their ship so much that they'll even accept a complete nothing like Suliet as some kind of romance. It's hilarious!

Anonymous said...

LOL, I don't think anyone is fooled about the Suliet craze. It has nothing to do with Juliet and everything to do with how much people hate Kate. Like fire of a 1000 suns hate her. How pathetically transparent all this fake love for a fake romance is. Fans just want Kate's head. I wonder if Darlton realize how spectacularly they've ruined their lead female character.

JoAnn

Anonymous said...

I have to laugh at the comments about Sawyer losing his edge and Josh being bored with Suliet. I can't imagine anything more dull and repetitive than endless scenes of mopey Sawyer pining for bitchy Kate. How is this a good use of the character's potential and the actor's talent? Am I actually supposed to be looking forward to seeing this until the end of Lost? I think it's such a waste for Josh to go back to such a one-sided and shallowly written pairing.

Anonymous said...

Well Josh himself said he hoped this isn't how Sawyer will continue to be written. He sounded way disappointed with this shit and he should be. This kind of blandness is the death knell for great characters, but luckily Lost is too good of a show to let this tooth achey sweet Suliet crap go on for more than an episode or two. In fact I expect to see it to self destruct starting the next episode. Great romances aren't written in fast forward like this. This is how you write expostion that sets up the real romance.

Anonymous said...

Now watch Darlton throw us for a loop and have Kate be the decent one and give Sawyer his space and have Juliet be the jealous bitch that Kate was in season 4.

Or better yet have Juliet start cheating on Sawyer with Jack. Now wouldn't that be some delicious irony for Sawyer's character? Having his woman cheat on him with another man. Just like he used to do for a living.

Anonymous said...

And once again, an excellent recap! I love your insight into the timetravel and the Egyptian symbolism. It was a good episode, but the weird domestic apathy of not just Sawyer and Juliet but also Jin and Miles threw me off a bit. But I have faith in the producers to wake them from the sleepy spell of Dharma Utopia now that our O6 are back!

AdmiralVictor said...

Sawyer will always be drawn to Kate because of where he's been but Juliet represents the change in his heart and reminds me of his plea to kate last season about staying on the island and starting over. This is because, as one reviewer pointed out was happening with Jack, Sawyer is actually trying to save and fix himself when he tries to save and fix kate. Sawyer and Jack suffer from hero complex's that drive them to find someone they can save. With Juliet, he not only found someone he be a hero to but also someone who could actually save him which keeps his complex balanced. In contrast, Kate sucks Sawyer dry and gives nothing back while Juliet is dependent enough to keep Sawyer thinking . . growing.

I am pro Suliet but because Kate is a bigger victim and is more dependent on a hero to save her, Sawyer will turn to Kate like a kid to candy. He may or at least try to run back to Juliet but on this show the theme isn't about ones choice but rather about fate and destiny which I think the writers believe should be pro skate.

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Hey fish, I love reading ur reviews, thanks for working so hard putting up pics and such. Makes this a thicker read. One thing you didn't comment on was the Sun gods awesome swagger into the middle of the camp lol. That was the most hilarious posture I have ever seen him in haha. And thanks for commenting on the symbolism of the flowers. Almost got swept up in the daydream ; )

Admiral

Anonymous said...

Josh says the same thing in pretty much every interview he does. He's been talking about his fear of Sawyer losing his edge since season one or two (before Juliet was even on the show). He's also said numerous times that he wants Sawyer to be a free agent. If Josh had his way, Sawyer wouldn't be tied down to any woman.

And I think the only ones on Lost that qualify as great and real romances would be Sun/Jin, Rose/Bernard, and Desmond/Penny. Skate and Jate don't come close... they're a joke in comparison. It's absurd that neither have had a genuine exchange of ILYs without contrived circumstances surrounding it in five seasons. Quite the love stories!

Anonymous said...

Admiral- Kate's no more a victim than Sawyer is. With a few execeptions, both are generally the causes of their own suffering.

The difference between them now is that Sawyer's finally gotten his shit together and turned his life around for the better, and has stopped pushing away the people who try to get close to him, as he kept doing with Kate (which I believe was the main cause of much of the friction between them, if not for that and his insecurities about Jack, Kate might not have continued to ping-pong between the two men).

It remains to be seen if Kate does the same for herself.

Anonymous said...

Anom-You summed up my thoughts in your reply to Admiral. Kate was by no means the complete and only cause of Sawyer's suffering. Sure, Kate's done some things that made me want to slap the piss out of her, but loving Sawyer hasn't always been a bowl of cherries either! They both pushed people away-including each other. Remember when Kate tried to make amends with Sawyer on their way back to the beach after escaping from the Others? She said, "what are we talking about here"? And "we can start with a clean slate". She was reaching out to him and his reply was "I ain't got nothing to be sorry for". Typical Sawyer at the time. I'm just not ready to throw in the towel on their relationship after one episode of sappy Suliet! I have a feeling that we're going to see Kate redeem herself in episode 11 which is supposedly centered on the promise she kept to Sawyer. We all may feel differently about her after that episode and those who currently despise her may find out that she's not such a bad gal after all. I'd just like to see her and Sawyer interact now that they've both had the chance to grow a bit. I'm not ready to give up on them!
Shea

Anonymous said...

If the writers were to suddenly start writing Juliet as a jealous and immature bitch like Kate back in seasons 3 and 4, it would be totally obvious why they are doing it. They would only pull that kind of OOC behavior out of their asses to prop up Kate on another female character's expense. That said, they obviously think the sun shines out of Kate's ass, therefore I wouldn't be surprised if they were going to do it.

Screwy said...

That was a brilliant recap, so extremely insightful! I love reading them every time, as my mind boggles and stretches with the links made.

Right, because no-one else seems to be defending Kate, I feel I must. Not because "Sawyer hasn't be easy either" but in defence of her own individual character as I find her to be the most interesting of all at the moment:

As we near the end of this saga that is Lost, the characters has developed as many had predicted.

Sawyer has found his redemption and has grown beautifully into the 'Hero' of the story.

Jack has fallen from his pedestal, sunk to the very bottom of wasted human existence and has perhaps only just begun to understand that he Needs redemption.

And Kate...well Kate hasn't changed. Kate has always run from responsibilty, has always used others for her own gain, has always acted contradictory to what is expected of her. She follows when she's told to stay, she stays on the beach when expected to move to the caves, when she loves someone she sabotages and flees, when she hates them she tries harder to stay and to like it.

She has always been selfish and self-serving when it comes to her own personal and private nature and I like to ask myself why Hasn't she changed so drastically, when everyone else has.

With Aaron she had stopped running, had put someone else first ahead of herself. Not bringing him to the island showed a small growth in her character as she obeyed the boy's biological mother and a fear of him being subjected to the terrors of the island (hostiles, smokey, dharma and god knows what). She did this despite obviously how much it had pained her, she seperated herself from him and gave him up.

This was slightly more unselfish than we had ever seen from her before. Selfishly she would have clung to him, enjoying the simple ability to love, to be loved that only a child can offer and the security blanket persona of "mother" which she can hide behind.

So many condemnations are made towards Kate in regards to Aaron, but I have always understood. One choise was handing the boy over to Claire's family, which would unravel the lie they had so carefully constructed to keep Sawyer and the others safe, despite that she had no idea whether claire was even alive or dead anyway.

Or she could adopt him herself, which was both selfishly unselfishly another choice to make. Aaron provided a good protection from the law, but she was also a good protection for him, as she was more aware of the Widmore situation.

Those who shout that Kate isn't Aarons mother, well...no she isn't but does that mean that every parent who adopts cannot call them her son or daughter?

With Kate there has never been a steady decline or increase, and this I find more fascinating than any other typical character storyline.

Maybe, just like Jack, she is now at square one. A little older, a little wiser and judging from that smile at the end of the last episode, a little more sure of her choices? Only square one for Kate isn't the island, but Sawyer himself, who always cuts through the people she pretends to be and sees to the heart of who "Kate" really is.


Sorry if that was so long... lol.

Kia said...

Ok..... so, while I've always loved your re-caps, I've never been much of a skater. I wasn't a Jater either though... I just understood how Kat could love them both.

But Wednesday night, when I watched Sawyer say that he loved Juliet, I HATED it! I can't stand them together! He lied to Juliet when he realized that Kate may be back on the island, I knew right then and there that he still loved Kate....... and we know she still loves him.

So..... I loved this write-up even more then the others! Not only because it was awsome...... but because I have finally chosen a side. Kate and Sawyer forever!

Thanks Fish!

Anonymous said...

I think I'm just going to make things easier for myself and start shipping all four of them together.

JIF- Jasawyateliet is fate. Yeah.

Jane Primrose said...

It's very strange to me that commenters here would say I don't understand Lost as a whole because I don't care for Skate. You do understand that that's just one element of the show, right? And that people can understand and appreciate the series as a whole while not liking everything about it?
Thanks, too, for calling us 'shallow, unimaginative dolts.' I really love that. It's so classy and polite and welcoming of debate.
Also, I have to say - your idea of what 'soap opera' consists of is very strange. Soap operas very seldom feature calm, settled relationships - in fact, tortured triangles JUST LIKE LOST'S are far more their style.

d said...

I don’t think that because people enjoyed this episode they are “shallow, unimaginative dolts”. What’s so terrible about people enjoying an episode that has Sawyer in the forefront as hero and in a happy relationship at the end? Of course it won’t last, but it was still great to watch. The person who thought it was akin to a “nice boring soap” apparently doesn’t watch soaps. A real soap opera has a ton of angst and drama and often involves a triangle. Sound familiar? Well that is something we’ve been treated to for more than 4 years and it has become a little tiresome. I myself routed for Skate up until episode 3.07 when Kate started screaming they had to go back for Jack. It became clear then that Darlton had lied and Kate was not going make a definitive choice as promised that season.

Is Skate endgame? Is Jate fate? If I had a choice, it would be Skate (especially with an evolved Kate), but I’m to the point of not caring and I find it ironic that the people who find a happy Sawyer and Juliet boring are probably the same people who expect Sawyer and Kate to be together in the end living happily ever after. I’ll be surprised if there are any happy endings romantically on the show. Unfortunately, I do not think the never ending, stupid triangle/quadrangle lends itself to epic romance no matter how you look at it. The real romance is longing between 2 people not 3, like Desmond/Penny, Jin/Sun and Rose/Bernard. By writing Kate as in love with 2 men and unable to choose, they pretty much ruined any chance for Skate OR Jate to be epic regardless of who Kate winds up with since the “losing” side will always claim that she settled for that person.

Also to say “the shallow, unimaginative Suliet fans are just silly because they don't understand Lost” is totally unfounded. I have followed the show from day one. I’ve read character analysis and theories (and have done some myself) and can probably discuss the underlying themes and nuances with most anyone who follows the show. Friends and family would say I’m obsessed. That said, I loved Suliet in this episode and I will route for them even though I know, as many do, that it is probably a lost cause. In the end, as a Sawyer fan, I want him to find his redemption, but I’m not sure that will include living happily ever after with anyone.

With all that said, I so enjoy Fish’s reviews. She has certain biases, but we all do and it doesn’t take away from my enjoyment. I love her insight, her theories and her sense of humor. She is incredibly clever and I always look forward to reading her stuff. I hope she can appreciate a compliment from a shallow, unimaginative dolt.

Reagan said...
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Reagan said...

wow, some of you Skaters just can't seem to deal with Sawyer actually growing as a person. It's sad.

And the reason Richard needed Paul's body was to uphold the truce.

Loved the Seinfeld reference!

Anonymous said...

And the reason Richard needed Paul's body was to uphold the truce.

That adds nothing to the understanding. WHY did having the body uphold the truce?

Soap operas very seldom feature calm, settled relationships

You're right Jane Primrose, Suliet isn't even as interesting as a soap opera. It's like going to your grandma's for sunday dinner. What great drama.

The real romance is longing between 2 people not 3, like Desmond/Penny, Jin/Sun and Rose/Bernard.

Yawn. That's what a smoking hot actor like Sawyer should be used for, as another Bernard. How exciting.

I think Suliet fans are shallow, because they think watching a quickie romance is a substitute for a story, and I think they're unimaginative because they think watching Sawyer "grow as a person" in a boring old lady romance is a good story for an exciting character and hot actor.

Anonymous said...

Suliet has two groups of fans, the old stick in the muds who don't appreciate sexual charisma and the Jaters who are pretending they like it because they think it means their sick ship won't have any more competition. I guess you can also add in the fanboys who always felt inadequate watching bad boy Sawyer.

It's too bad Fish is the only reviewer out there who seems to have really understood what this episode was really all about. I am always amazed at how unintelligent this fanbase really is.

JoAnn

Anonymous said...

Perhaps there will be flashbacks to fill in the 3-year gap and it won't feel so much like this was simply dumped on everyone. I don't think anyone really expects it to last, but I hope they do the story element some justice and fill it out a little more. Even so, as it stands, Sawyer/Juliet is a huge contrast to Jack/Kate, and I thought that was telling and significant to the overall story.

To the Anonymous posters who assume that only "old ladies" or "stick-in-the-muds" like this pairing, among other insults - wow, way to be rude and judgmental. It's fine if you don't like it. Some do. Yours isn't the only view, nor is it necessarily "right."

Anonymous said...

I think those fill in the blank episodes will happen about just about as soon as they fill in the blanks of Jate's first kiss/lovemaking, etc. That would be NEVER. Because neither Jate or Suliet is a tv romance worth watching.

The whole point of Suliet is to set up and delay Skate for another half season. They don't set up real romances by skipping through all the good stuff. I think some are being a little insulting, but seriously, the Suliet stuff has about as much sex appeal as watching the mailman put a Valentine in a mailbox. It's nothing. And it's not a coincidence that the same people who like it keep saying stuff like Bernard/Rose are a great romance. Yes, maybe they are, but they are sure not great tv. That's where these fans of instant, fake romance are missing the point.

Anonymous said...

Kill Juliet. Give her to Jack or Ben. Send her home to her sister. Make her make the decision to leave Sawyer. Make Kate the bitch by sleeping with Sawyer while he still shares a house with Juliet. I DO NOT CARE how it is done. All I know is, STOP this Sawyer and Juliet nonsense of a footnote and let us return to the story we have been telling for 4 seasons. I have just received my order of Januvia,Daonil and Co-approvel having just awoken from my diabetic coma. We can no longer take much more of this Suliet crap. One more episode and that is it.

Return to Skate. Then we can discover the statues and monsters and so on.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean kill Juliet? Don't you know the whole point of having tv's hottest man on your show is to turn him into a stable, healthy, mature adult who is peacefully calm in a mutually supportive, trusting, loving, caring, healthy, mature lifelong relationship? Isn't that why we watch escapist tv? So that we can watch the hottest man on earth behave like the guy down the street who goes to pta meetings?

I can't believe people really want to see something like this for our beautiful, exciting Sawyer. How sad for all of you. I can only hope Darlton aren't as uncreative and boring as these Suliet fans are hoping they'll be.

Reagan said...

"That adds nothing to the understanding. WHY did having the body uphold the truce?"

Because they killed the two Others and amends had to be made.

You Skaters are just as bad as the the Jaters Fish took issue with at DarkUFO.Kate can't decide what she wants. Whenever Jack's not in the mood to play, she runs to Sawyer, but when she needs her reliable hero she doesn't turn to Sawyer. Juliet actually shows him trust and support. She has confidence in him, and she supports him in turn. They don't have to remind each other of how bad they were in the past. And they've been together a lot longer than two months. That's why the relationship works. James stepped to the plate and has become someone worth respecting. Sawyer got his happy ending, but you guys don't seem to be happy for him. I mean, come on, he's not some type of Stepford. I would call having a perpetual hard-on for bad boys, unimaginative.

Anonymous said...

Because they killed the two Others and amends had to be made.

So how does taking a dead body make any amends. I think Fish was making the interesting connection with Egyptian death rituals. But Reagan, you seem to be one who prefers very surface interpretations. Seems to be a pattern with the Suliet fans. Do you actually think Sawyer got his happy ending? Are you that clueless as to how this show works?

I think Fish's reviews are wasted on this fandom. It seems like a heck of a lot of these people WANT to see this whole thing turn into the Brady Bunch. Fish's interpretation seems to be flying right over their lightweight little heads.

Anonymous said...

Reagan- there's character growth and there's character butchering.

I think having Sawyer picking and smelling ridiculously huge daisies, practically skipping home to a closed mouth kiss preceded by a hug, then sitting down to a spaghetti dinner, leans towards the latter. JMO.

Anonymous said...

Let's have more character growth. Let's watch Sayid become a janitor and Locke play Bingo and Ben open a Dunkin Donuts and Sun take JiYeon to play group. Let's watch all the Losties completely lose their personalities, become as drab and boring as possible, all so we can be happy they have "character growth".

It's so funny that ANYONE is missing what's happening here. Something as fake as Sawyer and Juliet only has one purpose - to create conflict and lead probably to something tragic. It's amazing that some fans think Lost is about watching great characters be "rehabilitated" into mush.

Anonymous said...

I still remember the days when Skaters used to make fun of Jaters for hating on Sawyer and Juliet because they dared to get involved with Jack and Kate, but comments like this

Kill Juliet. Give her to Jack or Ben. Send her home to her sister. Make her make the decision to leave Sawyer. Make Kate the bitch by sleeping with Sawyer while he still shares a house with Juliet. I DO NOT CARE how it is done. All I know is, STOP this Sawyer and Juliet nonsense of a footnote and let us return to the story we have been telling for 4 seasons. I have just received my order of Januvia,Daonil and Co-approvel having just awoken from my diabetic coma. We can no longer take much more of this Suliet crap. One more episode and that is it.

show that Skaters aren't any better. They are as big hypocrites as Jaters are.

And how anyone can hope for Kate and Sawyer to hook up behind Juliet's back is beyond me. It would turn the entire fandom (except for the hardcore Skaters) against Sawyer and Kate as characters and Skate as a couple. That move would be an epic fail and it's not as if Kate isn't already hated enough. Unbelievable and especially considering that the very same people who seem to be rooting for it, would hate on and rip Juliet to shreds if she were to do the same thing to their beloved badboy.

Anonymous said...

It's harsh to wish Juliet to die, but I can see why people want to end this storyline as quickly as possible. I think they just need to be patient though. It's OBVIOUSLY not the endgame or even anything long lasting. It's just a huge obstacle for Sawyer and Kate. It's actually a great sign for them, as hard as that is to see right now.

Think about it. Jack and Kate have ZERO obstacles right now. Nothing in all the world is keeping them apart. So if they are meant to be, then they need to get to it. But they won't. What does that mean? It means that ship is dead. If they wanted to keep Jate alive, they'd have given them an obstacle to overcome, so there could be suspense and excitement about the outcome.

That's what romance is all about. Not watching happy endings or closed mouth kisses. It's all about the thrill of the chase. Now Sawyer and/or Kate has a big hill to climb. There's an obstacle, therefore there's a story. That's how it works. Skaters just need to relax. The way it will be done will be very satisfying and the writers have plenty of time now to do it in a way that doesn't reflect badly on either Sawyer or Kate.

Juliet's name tells you her fate. No need to wish ill on her. Her tragic end was built right into the character when they named her.

Anonymous said...

I'm a Skater to the core and I absolutely do not want them to cheat on their current partners (assuming Kate's back with Jack).

It would be a regression for Sawyer, and while Kate has flaws aplenty, I don't want adultery to be added to the list.

And I don't want Juliet to die, either. I'm not one of those people who wants to see a character die just because I don't like them or because they're "in the way" of a 'ship. (not even Jack for all I detest the man)

Anonymous said...

I knew, like a lot of people, that Sawyer and Juliet were going to be together in this episode before I see it. But I didn't think that Juliet would say "I love you" and that Sawyer would answer "I love you too"!
I thought that the side "we're together just because our each other true love are gone" would be yelled or at least more accentuated. But it was not actually.

But the two last scene gave me hope about Skate because:
As soon as Sawyer learns by Jin That Kate is back, as soon as he lies to Juliet about what the phone call was about!
And when The Oceanic 3 get out of the Dharma van, Sawyer sees Hurley, then Jack (which one is smiling at Sawyer. Sawyer smiles back at him: I'm still waiting for these two finally fight each other and that Jck has his ass kicked!), and finally, she comes between Jck and Hurley. And there Sawyer has a big problem: he still loves her!

But before that Sawyer says to Horace that 3 years are long enought to get over someone. Oh really? You sure about that Sawyer? Because it seemed pretty clear to me that you didn't forget you true first love Kate!

That was funny actually, as soon as Kate is back, Sawyer starts to lie to Juliet about it and runs to Kate. In some spoiler I read that Kate and Sawyer are reunited (ok, that we already know) but that Sawyer is torn between her and Juliet. What, already! It really would'nt take very long!

The lost skater french girl

Anonymous said...

I just didn't mention the war there's here in the comments: you're (a lot of you not everyone) kinda virulent in whate you say!

I well know that a lot of people hate Kate because she still didn't make her choice yet. But I wanna say that I still love her anyway, because she's a female character who knows how to takte of herself, she's independant, and she did some bad stuff in her past, but she's not evil, she's complicated (maybe too much for some people): it's kinda rare to have a female character like this! I mean she's not the charming princess for the charming prince who's Jack! And I say that's great because I want this wild fugitive with this conman Sawyer!

About him, I think that's good that he's more nice and tender and all that kind of stuff, but with Kate and almost only with her, but I want that a part of the conman he was stays in him!

Admiralvictor said...

and to think . . these are fictional characters lol. Is this what it was like with the whole princess Diana thing? o0

Whatever happens, TV has never and will never be the same again.

Reagan said...

So how does taking a dead body make any amends.

How is it not clear? Balance has to be restored. The deaths had to be avenged. Or perhaps Richard needed proof that his people had instigated the altercation.

I think Fish was making the interesting connection with Egyptian death rituals. But Reagan, you seem to be one who prefers very surface interpretations.Seems to be a pattern with the Suliet fans.
No, I'm one who is making a surface interpretation in this particular case. Sometimes a door is just a door. You seem to be one who is prefers making broad generalizations.

Do you actually think Sawyer got his happy ending? Are you that clueless as to how this show works?
I said he got his happy ending, I didn't say it would last. Are you that clueless when it comes to reading comprehension?


I think Fish's reviews are wasted on this fandom. It seems like a heck of a lot of these people WANT to see this whole thing turn into the Brady Bunch. Fish's interpretation seems to be flying right over their lightweight little heads.

I think it's a shame that Fish's reviews attract such a condescending and hypocritical audience.

Anonymous said...


I think it's a shame that Fish's reviews attract such a condescending and hypocritical audience.


Such as yourself.

Your comment about why Richard wanted the dead body continues to be shallow and pointless. Taking a body is not revenge. Another death would be a revenge. There's more to it than that obviously.

You sound like one of those people who think they sound smart when they nitpick some detail out of a review that they couldn't have written and probably don't understand. The Lost audience is full of people like that.

And I don't feel bad commenting this way at all, not to someone who started their post with "you Skaters". People who don't want to be categorized shouldn't be categorizing others, Ronald.

Anonymous said...

"I said he got his happy ending, I didn't say it would last. Are you that clueless when it comes to reading comprehension?"

Eh I think you should look up what happy ENDING means.

Anonymous said...

The problem with sites such as DarkUFO and the Lage is that they breed morons with delusions of grandeur. Now, tell me, if Kate is hated by the entire fandom, now that we are at the home stretch, what do you think will happen? Do you think TPTB will change their story because some morons on fansites that don't even represent 1% of the global Lost fanbase can't stand her? Cheating on partners has been part of storytelling since the beginning of time. I do not want Kate to cheat but if she does, so the hell what?! Is this some kind of moral show where people can't do bad things because it would "regress" their characters? Regress in whose book? Just tell me..killers like Kate and Sawyer, how is cheating on their partners going to be worse than murder? So, you can forgive Sawyer for murder because he picks a plant for that blonde but you won't forgive him for sleeping with his freckles while with the blonde? Who seems like the crazy person here? I do not care what the so called Fandom think anymore. La Fleur has shown me that some of the cyber lost fans are psychophants. I was a Lost viewer who never logged on to sites. I started logging on about 3 weeks ago and I am so disappointed with the IQ level of Lost fans especially on DarkUFO. They don't deserve this show. So, I do not care what anyone thinks. If Juliet dies,my reaction would be, ah well! Personally, I want them all alive at the end but that's probably not going to happen. They might even kill my darling Kate or Sawyer or both but whether in life or the afterlife, the story indicates they will be together at the end and we await their rediscovery. Therefore, the sooner we dispose of Suliet, the better for the prose to move along. If you feel FB is biased, start your own blog. Jaters call yours Zombieland in memory of the love scene in 3.16. Sulieters, well, we all know you exist as an obstacle so anyone who starts a blog on Suliet needs to be sedated in the hope that when they awake they might have come to their senses.

Anonymous said...

LOL, anon 1:16. The biggest secret of the Lost online fandom is that they have the IQ of gnats. The inane discussions, especially on DarkUFO or anyplace with a concentration of "jaters", make that hilariously obvious. And I love the geniuses who read a masterful analysis like this piece and then feel so proud of themselves becuse they find some stupid nitpick.

This "Suliet" craze is only the most recent example of them being proud of themselves for being idiots. Two weeks ago it was the proxy pregnancy theory they were kissing their own asses over. They're ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

I usually like your reviews, but your writing here as a skater, not a Sawyer fan. This was a great ep, for him and the show.

Anonymous said...

Another Jack bashing blog? Seriously?

Sarah said...

Fish, I have been a fan of yours for a while now, but have never commented here before. Let me just say your insights are unsurpassed. Your in depth but coherent recaps are always enlightening after often times jam packed episodes. from one lost fan to another, thanks so much!

Anonymous said...

(chanting) Up-date, up-date, up-date, up-date... ;)

Anonymous said...

C'est pour bientôt ton résumé de l'épisode 509? Parce que j'ai trop hâte!
Je tiens à te dire que j'adore tous tes articles.
En plus tu es skateur (ou skateuse :)), moi aussi!