Tuesday, October 9, 2007

And The Worm Turns...

Well, the mods and bubbles entertaining us with this wanktastic entry were already assuming to be Fishbiscuited, so who am I to refuse? After all, your entertainment is always first and foremost on my mind, dear Fishies. And with such delicious entries to draw from...what's a girl to do?

This little encounter begins here, in lulinha-k’s LJ. Good ol’ Hallie, Fuse mod extraordinaire, unable to NOT do her job, admonishes Mysticxf for assuming a fellow Jater was banned because of her shipper status and trying to post what she thought was an “illegal download”.

Halfreak's opening shot across the bow:

Posted by: hallie (halfrek2)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 12:38 am (UTC)

“you all really need to step down off of your shipper soap boxes. stop assuming things happen just b/c of your shipping preferences.”

Carrielynne rushes to defend her buddy and tell it like it is:

Posted by: Carrie (carrielynne2323)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 03:20 am (UTC)

“Not ALL shippers have soapboxes, Halfrek. Especially not Mystic. These are our own LJ's - if we want to vent, we'll vent. This isn't the 'Fuse. You don't need to mod us here.

You know I seem to remember seeing you on someone else's LJ saying you like poking us on the 'Fuse to get us all worked up. I think you'd find people would respect you guys a lot more if you'd quit acting like your better than everyone because you moderate a message board.”

Hmm, so two things are jumping out at me here:

Rule Número Uno: A Jater with a LiveJournal can VENT if they want to. Vent if they want to. Vent if they want to...You would vent too if - Got that? That's what private LJ's and GJ's and blogs and shit are for, mmkay? Just like my own journal, no?

Rule Número Dos: Halfreak is poking someone? Seriously? NEVER! Let’s return to investigate that in a bit, since Halfrek is so willing to clear this up for us.

Carrielynne continues to reinforce her opinion on the right to free speech, you go girl:

“Can we at least have our LJ's to express our feelings in peace? You don't have jurisdiction here. Its bad enough we get stalked by the birds in fishbiscuitland (who most of us have defended you AND the 'Fuse against), but do we have to answer for our own thoughts outside of the 'Fuse? Seriously?”

Just in case you didn’t get the message first time, you know. Personal LJ = FREE SPEECH (within the site rules, of course). Maybe I should employ Carrie to get that message across in Bubbleland, since people don't seem to like me taking advantage of this novel concept. Of course one thing this gal forgets is that the right to free expression is a two way street, it goes both ways kiddies. At any time that you want to put down your personal views publicly and claim your right, you are also going to be subject to the right of others to disagree with you and express their own opinions right back at ya. It's called a free exchange of ideas, but sometimes it can get a little messy, blood can be drawn and sensitive feelings hurt. But as long as you know what 'free for all' means...and make liberal use of the delete entry button for those trolls and spambots, it's all good.

Just to make things even more interesting, in rides Maja perched on her high horse:

Posted by: Majandra (maja_carlisle)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 11:15 am (UTC)

“It's quite easy: You don't want to be treated differently, then don't ACT like you are! Luka has a technical problem with her browser that has NOTHING to do with the Fuselage OR being a shipper but of course the first thing assumed is: She was banned because she's a shipper and the mods hate shippers.

Can you get that out of your heads that everything that happens to you, happens because you are shippers? Not maybe because you broke general site rules or netiquette or - in Luka's case - because of your own technical problems?

Just get off of that martyr trip...”

Hostile much, you think? If this is the way she speaks to a fellow Jater, then just think of the outcome if a Skater had made the same comments? Nah, actually don’t imagine that – because you’re ungrateful 'martyrs' too! Forget about justice and fairness, off you all go to shut the frack up instead!

Mysticxf obviously isn’t a Bubblehead buddy of Majandra’s these days either:

Posted by: mysticxf (mysticxf)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 11:34 am (UTC)

“*I* know you're just trying to keep order, but that's there. We respect you on the FUSELAGE. On LJ? We still respect you, but we have our opinions and I'm sorry if they hurt a little, but they're OUR opinions. We're not on some martyr trip and we're not on any soap box, we're just giving our opinions.”

Maybe Maja gets the message this time?

Posted by: Majandra (maja_carlisle)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 12:48 pm (UTC)

“I just don't think you are able to see things like they are because you are so wrapped up in your self-pity.

Maybe if you could take a step back and see things in an objective way, you'd be able to see things clearly?

And what EXACTLY is arrogant about us asking you to investigate things first before jumping to the (wrong) conclusions before spreading lies and putting the blame on people not even involved?

But of course, blaming others is SO MUCH easier and much more fun than finding fault with yourself, right?”

Nope, doesn’t look like it. I’m starting to feel sorry for Mystic. Especially since she knows I’m around with the pooper-scooper:

Posted by: mysticxf (mysticxf)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 03:45 pm (UTC)

“Luka, I'm sorry about bringing this on your LJ as I'm sure it will now be quoted and mocked in Skater territory.”

Maja just has to get in the last word though, who cares if it's messing up Luka's day?:

Posted by: Majandra (maja_carlisle)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 12:39 pm (UTC)

“Q.E.D. Hope you feel content in your self-pity.”

Yikes. Maja knows how to say STFU in Latin. Burrrn. This case looks like it’s getting rested yet again though, reinventing itself into a 'I know you are but what am I' competition. Peewee would have been so proud:

Posted by: mysticxf (mysticxf)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 02:29 pm (UTC)

“So you disagree, therefore I am wrong. Mod Logic is cool. Q.E.D. yourself.”

One last time I promise…

Posted by: Majandra (maja_carlisle)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC)

“No QUED means you just proved me right. Thank you!”

This war of abbreviated latin phrases (though why they didn't throw in a C.Q.F.D or W.Z.B.W to shake things up I'll never know) transforms into a martyrish Mystic-mini rant and can be read at your own leisure via the link above.

As Mystic understands it, the problem comes down to being labeled a shipper. Stupidity and self-pity resulting in dismissal, accusations hurled at her because she’s a shipper, with mods to blame for that along with some other shippers…hmm, wonder who that could be? More passive aggression and finger pointing. Blame kinda goes with the territory in fishy waters though, so keep on pointing, hon. The thing that amuses me reading this rant is that Mystic honestly believes the Fuse mods were pandering to the Skaters! Biased against the poor defenseless Jaters. The thing is, the mods only started getting tough on the Couchers when they'd driven off most of the Skater fans with their mod-editing and arbitrary rule violations and condescending STFU attitude. They ran out of people to hit with the big stick and so finally turned their jaundiced moddish eye on the Jaters who'd been getting off scot free for the longest time. How does it feel when the lash is on the other back, hmm? Now you get what I was ranting about back in November. But of course it's only unfair when it's not being directed at the unruly Skate fans...riiiiiight.

Meanie Martial Majandra, a shipper don’t forget, a Jater no less, just in case your memory fails you…ends with an abundantly clear message to “think again”. Sounds like the way to go Maja…

Back to our favorite Fusemod, who finally chimes in:

Posted by: hallie (halfrek2)
Posted at: September 27th, 2007 04:06 pm

“i would like it very much if you would direct me to that post that i supposedly made about "poking us on the Fuse to get us all worked up". i think that perhaps you have me confused with one of the posters on the Fish site. i do not, have not, will not "poke" people to get them riled up.”

Got that Fishbitches? We've got your number! Everything rotten in Lost fandom is your fault.

Carrie graciously obliges Halfreak's request and comes up with the following (and let me just point out that Carrie obviously is not up with the play or she would remember the Skate Avatar debacle and other instances where it's clear that Jaters have merrily been hanging on the OutKaSt and VIP threads with report button happy fingers - I'll cut her some slack though because she does make a very good point about a select few mods):

Posted by: Carrie (carrielynne2323)
Posted at: September 28th, 2007 01:34 am (UTC)

“You know Halfrek - I really appreciate your response and that you were able to remain calm without insulting me completely. I've never gotten in trouble on the 'Fuse - I don't act like I'm "different" than everyone else - I know how to conduct myself there but because I'm one of these people who DOES know how to abide by the rules - I can tell you that a select few of the mods have ruined what is supposed to be a fun and pleasant experience for me and a TON of Lost fans. I would LOVE to have the good ole days back where I could go into the Dimples thread (because while Jack is my favorite character, I do like Sawyer)and I wouldn't see a MOD bashing Jack and then accusing someone else of not reading the FAQ when they are doing the same thing on another thread... I would give anything to not have 5 skaters at a time lurking on the Jater Couch waiting to pounce and report anything we say or carry it back to their fishland so they can tear it apart and ridicule it from top to bottom. I haven't set foot in the OutKast thread since December last year when I went in to wish them all a Merry Christmas. THAT is what I want the fandom to be like... not like this:

You said you wanted a link to where you said what you did... so there it is...

And the damning evidence that puts HalfAssed at the crime scene, standing over the corpse with the proverbial smoking gun:

2007-05-17 05:35 pm UTC (link)

“thank you.

*bwahaha* yeah i like your scenario but i fear that the shippers would read into that. it would probably be something about her being hurt by his liason with that other, theorefore she HAD to say that. it is a wild convoluted way that shippers seem to view things even when they are shown a clear scene.

i am thankful that this is not my first experience with shippers or i would be totally jumping into the fray as one of those rabid ones determined to set them straight. at the moment, i just like to *poke* them a bit to rile them up...not in a mod capacity of course. *eg*”

Faced with this irrefutable proof of her nasty shipper agenda, her lame-ass defense is:

Posted by: hallie (halfrek2)
Posted at: September 30th, 2007 01:40 am (UTC)

“okay, i have thoroughly researched this. i "think" i know what may have prompted that comment and it had nothing to do with the Jaters. however, after all the research, i cannot find one instance where i actually did "poke" someone or try to "rile" up anyone over that promo. i actually didn't post in either ship thread for over two weeks after that comment and when i did it wasn't about the promo or what happened in the finale. i also didn't rant about it on LJ either. :/ i do apologize for how really bad that looked but hope you can see my record for what it is. guess it doesn't matter in the big scheme. just wanted to try to answer your query. cheers.

"it had nothing to do with Jaters", which means what, Halfrek? That you were only targeting one SPECIFIC group of shippers instead? Which makes it okay? Trying to rile them up on purpose, fanning the outrage and resentment? But hey, mods are supposed to be unbiased and fair, right? They are not supposed to blatantly attack one section of fandom over another and cause friction where perhaps there might have been none. Do you not call yourself a Skater? You admitted you deliberately 'poke' your own shipmates at the Fuse and expect everyone to just let that rest and not expose your comment as being proof that you are most definitely part of the problem? And Maja, ouch, take a chill pill - turning on a fellow Jater like that, that was embarrassing to read.

Maybe someone should be sending these comments off to the higher ups at the Fuse, or even higher than that. I've been saying all along that the Fuse moderators really need to seriously look at how patronizing, hypocritical and damaging their actions have been towards both shipper fandoms on their site, and it's interesting to see some Jaters are finally starting to agree with me.


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