THE JATE AIN'T FATE TOUR 2009
Matthew Fox is doing Europe this summer. And it really looks like he's having a good time! Naturally, his fans have been looking forward to Foxy's time in the spotlight, in this last summer ever of waiting for Lost to come back. What will he say? How will he Hussy up their excitement about Lost's grand finale season? Well, he was talking.
He was talking in Spain.
When describing the end of the show he uses several different adjectives. He confirms talking to Damon Lindelof many times about it and that each time he does that it is surprising that it is so "moving". Some of the words he uses are Beautiful, Redemptive, Sad and ends with saying it is just Awesome.
The star revealed he is the only cast member who knows how Lost will end, saying: “I don’t think Jack lives happily ever after.”
...The end is going to be both sad, beautiful and liberating.
He was talking all over the WWWebs.
TVMania: Rumor has it that you're the only cast members who knows how the show is going to end. Is that true?
MF: I do know how the show is going to end because I've been talking about Jack and the story with Damon and I know the overall picture: it's going to be beautiful, sad and redemptive.
You know, however you slice it, it really sounds like Jack's ending is going to be ... SAD. Like unmistakably,
I don't know what the average Jack or Jate fan thought about all this. They tend to keep those kind of things rather, uh, private.
But it's safe to assume this had to be conflicting somewhat with the vivid fantasies they've imagined.
My God, what will become of all the unborn Jabies???
As SAD as those endings might seem to us, somehow I don't think that's what Foxy was hinting at. And I'm guessing by now that based on this series of interviews, the average Jacker, even the average Jater, has come to terms with the fact that the ending is going to be real, real SAD. But Jack will still be the HERO, right? That's not negotiable.
And he'll get to LIVE of course. Right? Right, Foxy?
So what about Jack? Could Jack die? For Fox it’s a firm, “Oh, yeah!”
What’s even more surprising is his answer to whether he’d like to see himself (Jack) die: “I think that would be awesome. I think Jack will die. I mean that’s my own personal belief. Whether he will die in the last moments of the show or before that will remain to be seen. I think a lot of the characters are going to die, but I can be wrong. I might know that.”
Now the Hussies had to regroup. This was starting to get serious. Sad Jack, ok, that's borderline acceptable. He's like extra uber-cute when he's sad. But not sad and DEAD! Holy shit! Maybe the best way to handle this would be to start up a buzz chorus of plausible deniability.
the pattern and tone of LOST is about the characters and their relationships, with each other and that is why this keeps getting brought up. If you don't like that aspect of the show as much then you won't see it, but it is there and is worthy of "discussion". But, I mean, an actual adult, civil discussion and not the "I'M RIGHT and YOU'RE WRONG - period" thing that happens more frequently on this subject alone. If just needing to be right is that important then this will never go away no matter how unambiguously LOST ends. And there are some who I think will get the happiness that they've sacrificed so much for. Anyway, I think Foxy's interview said alot and while it's still anyone's guess, if you don't like that character, that will keep being debated also. - DocLover1
Matt's exact words about the finale were that it was beautiful, sad and redemptive. Somehow that doesn't fit a doom-and-gloom picture of an "everybody is gonna die" scenario for the ending. Whatever Damon may have said, I believe that it's clear from the whole context of the Foxy interview that he's really talking about the overall ending of the show, not just Jack's fate. - Maxaholic
You know, Foxy doesn't know that much. He only knows the final image.But he has always shamelessly pimped the fact that, in knowing this "final image", He KNOWS the ending of LOST! Yeah, man, Foxy is the ONLY castmember they let in on the big secret. He can't help it if he's special like that.
It's a burden to carry, but it didn't stop Matt from enjoying his vacation. He was auditioning for his next bigscreen flick.
Come on, wouldn't you pay money to see a Bromance movie about Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Fox?
Something with hilariously homoerotic highlights?
There was still lots of fun to be had by Foxy's fans around the great big interweb. Their boy was everywhere and he was styling. He was in print, on television, talking, posing, flashing that big old grin.
Sure, they had to swallow all that SAD, DEAD JACK talk, but that was probably just Foxy being cute and scampish and ...well, foxy. It was fairly easy to ignore.
And then THIS happened:
Let's read this through slowly, for all us nonfrancolingual folk. The question:
SM: Do you think Jack and Kate could get back together and have a future together?
MF: No, I never found the couple to be credible. I find it hard to believe they'll go back to falling into each other's arms.
W-w-w-whuh? Oh, my. How will the Jaters deal with that????
Well, first off ... they won't. This part is basic. It's Jater101.
This is how we take it.......we don't. - DocLover1
Even that is a bad translation, no one would ever say that in english... - Paterooni
unless I see it with my own eyes in a video or something that he ACTUALLY said that I won't believe it. - carolilly
Yea, same here. Even if that's what he believes, there is NO WAY he'd flat out say NO in an interview. -LO5TCrAzY
Doc reminded them that even if all Fox's other interviews were credible, this one was not:
So whatever else may be floating around about who said what...................pfft! "They" say alot of things!! No worries at all. It's been Jack and Kate since episode one, and it will be Jack and Kate in the final episode! - DocLover1
That's the first step. The second step is to....
Spin, baby, spin.
So we are not really sure what he said. All we know is what he has said in English interviews here, that we could understand right when he said them, and haven't been brought over seas and probably translated incorrectly. Foxy has never said anything negative about Jack and Kate, and I don't think he did this time either. So I don't think we are too concerned with it anymore. - DocLover
Spin No. 1: It's the translation. You can't expect anyone to understand two languages at the same time. Whoever wrote that down got it wrong. This argument was shot down by one of the resident non-Jate Jackers (who were, understandably, far less upset by this particular quote.)
He was asked what he thought about Jack and Kate having a future together, and he said he did not find them a credible couple. Clinging to the "mistranslation" angle doesn't hold much water because it was done by a pro -- I think those wishing to discount it are grasping at straws. Let's be honest here, it's not like making a mistake on translating a delicately worded, nuance-rich nuclear anti-proliferation treaty from Swahili to Welsh or some tricky linguistic gymnastics like that. It's a straightforward, brief and simple statement from French to English. -The Sacrifice the Island Demanded
Uh, suuuuuuuure, but:
My question is not the accuracy of the translation from the French to English. I've seen the original French and I agree with the translated version. My question is actually on the accuracy of the original French translation of Foxy's English reply. The statement is a very short one and, to me, seems to have been edited from what might have been a longer reply. In addition, it is the first time that Foxy has (if he indeed did say this) said something this negatively blunt about this particular relationship. It's translated as him saying he's "never" believed they were credible - which is either at odds with his previous opinion or at odds with what he told us his previous opinion was. - Dany E
Spin No. 2: It's not the translation from French to English that's wrong. Pfft. That's easy. It's the translation from English to French that they effed up. See, Foxy didn't say what it sounds like he said. He probably said something more like this:
MF: NO, I think they will be eternally and perpetually together through all eternity because they are the most epic love story that the world has ever seen. Duh.
And then the stupid translator got it all mucked up and came out with this instead.
MF: No, I never found the couple to be credible. I find it hard to believe they'll go back to falling into each other's arms.
That's what happened.
Spin No. 3 There are other possible explanations. Like this one: He was drunk! Come on, we all know how much Foxy likes to get his drink on.
And we all know he was tired and at one point apparently with a hangover , he cancelled some interviews, etc. (PS. The press was not happy with that, photographs complained that he wouldn't want to take off his sunglasses each time they asked... and that he put often his hand before his face while talking! poor babies. - LO5TCrAzy
Spin No. 4: Or....my personal favorite explanation of all: He thought they were asking him about Kate and Sawyer!
It´s a result of linguistic misunderstanding – remember, this wasn´t an official ˝english˝ interview – Foxy could have misunderstood the question, or the interviewer could have misunderstood his answer....He misunderstood the question and was actually talking about his opinion about Sawyer and Kate I know, a bit stretched up, but… when you look back at all this previous quotes, and all he´s been saying for the past seasons, and the way the relationships have been developing on the show, especially in the last season, his quote, applied to Jate, doesn´t make any sense; while, applied to Skate, it does. So far, Foxy has always been on Jate´s side, not Skate´s. Ever since S1. Then we got Josh on our side. And then, the last one, Evie. - Jr Jaterville
When all else fails, there's always the old standby:
Spin No. 5: Who gives a frak? It's only Foxy's opinion because he doesn't know anything.
While I don't care nor do I have time to fond over and follow the breadcrumbs that Damon and Carlton leave hidden behind iniquitous wording and such during their interviews, I don't dare try to dissect and extract definitive meaning out of anything that the actors say either, whether I'm a huge fan, which is the case with Mr. Fox, or not. Everyone says what they want and hold their own opinions about such things, and at times, those opinions change like the weather, it all depends on which day of the week it is. - Forever Erica
Fond over? Iniquitous? I love this chick's writing style!
Not to mention, I bet Foxy gets soooooooo sick of getting asked the same question over and over and over again. Next week, he'll LOVE what he doesn't like this week. Worse than a chick man! . He's just making sure he covers all the bases. - DocLover1
Plus, Doc reminds them how very,very, , IMPORTANT Jaters are to the ultimate success of LOST:
And I doubt tptb want him to start dissing a very important part of the show, that has a huge fan base before filming even starts. Even if filming had started, for him to start saying negative things about Jack's supposed death or Jack and Kate.......? Nope, I don't buy it and I don't think he'd be allowed to do it. So, it's all good! - DocLover1
You know you really don't want to make these Jaters mad:
This is where you really have to give these Jaters some credit. These people refuse to suffer. In the blink of an eye, they can go from bragging about how Foxy is the ONLY one who KNOWS the ENDING!!!! to agreeing unanimously that he doesn't know shit. And once that is established, they get straight back to the hard work of rowing that boat down that river in Egypt.
Thank you for posting those quotes, Doc. I don't think any sane person should worry about Jack and Kate at this point in the story. - Ewiss
Look how far our friends came in just one week. They have accepted that Jack's ending will be SAD. Some have even begun to accept that he may very well DIE. But this they will not accept. Dead or alive, even if they're frakking miserable, Jack and Kate will be TOGETHER.
And no, he doesn't write the story. They may not end up together alive, but I still think they will end up together. - DocLover1
Even the non-Jating Jacker has to agree with this.
This is the scenario I find most likely also. - The Sacrifice the Island Demanded
Ah, harmony is restored. All is right again in the Hussy Universe.
Okay, so now that we've got that settled...............phew!!:wipes head: And as far as what anyone else says or thinks.........:blahblahblah:, that's all it is! - DocLover1
And just to keep the good buzz going a little longer, they remind one another that this is TEH JACK SHOW, GODDAMMIT!!!!
Yeah, funny how the show doesn't really move unless Jack does, huh? Golly, I wonder why that is? - The Sacrifice the Island Demanded
People have always known how important Jack is to the story. And I mean, the whole story, not just a bit here and there. They may not like it, but guess what............too bad! The episodes you mentioned above are great examples of his importance. Add that to the fact that when all is said and done, everything will come back around to Jack - everything. Those who choose to only see the bad, or what they consider bad, are really missing out on the entire story of LOST! - DocLover1
And plus, all those other fans who don't agree with them are Kerr-Razy.
jack has been and always will be the center of lost. we can see that very clearly. i don't see how anyone would think differently. - maxaholic
Like and love what character you will, but be clued in and objective enough to understand their role in the story, for heaven's sake. It's part of understanding what you're watching, and if you don't understand what you're watching...why watch? - The Sacrifice the Island Demanded
It's sort of, kind of, like that line from Locke in WR: "Crazy people don't know they're going crazy, they think they're getting saner"
Blame that river in Egypt - Crazy Latin
OMG! LOL! ROTFL! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
Don't blame the river, it's just plain ignorance! :toungie: :toungie: :toungie: - DocLover1
Ahhhh......Let's have a few more of those.
Then they got back to what they do best, enjoying the Real, True Story of LOST that the rest of us are missing out on.
You can see their point.
Nothing really ever happens on Lost
without Jack being involved in it.
It wasn't until Jack got off his ass this season and decided to drop a bomb down a hole
that anything at all happened in Season Five of Lost.
And nobody knows that better than Juliet.
I can kind of see their point. I wasn't a huge fan of Season Five. I'm hoping for Six to be a big improvement. But I do think they've been holding their fire. I still expect to have my socks blown off by Season Six. And so does Foxy, I'm thinking. He seems way positive about this coming season. Of course we have to wonder, how much should we trust in anything he says? Maybe he's trying to throw us all off so we can all squee our little tushies off in shock and surprise when Jack and Kate have a Jedding for real and lots and lots of gorgeous Jabies!
Or maybe he knows what his fans are like and wants to let them down easy.
MF: Well, that's a double edged sword. The fans have been creating their own theories all these seasons, speculating their own endings, it's one of the aspects we have enjoyed the most. The truth is that they will surely have thought of their own endings that will look nothing like the end of the series that's already been written. There will surely be people that will not agree with the ending they'll see on 2010. because the story will not go the way they think it will, so, whether the ending is liked or not, depends on the audience, on every TV viewer that follows the series. I know what the ending will be and I know the argument of the sixth and final season, and I, personally, think it will be a really satisfying ending for the majority, but if there's someone who has already thought of another ending, it is evident that they will not agree.
Let's assume just for a minute that he's telling the truth, even if only in some limited way. Matthew has always said he knows the final image. And we have confirmation that he knows something.
Q: Who else besides the two of you know the ending?
Carlton Cuse: The writers who work for us on the show know a great deal about it, but they don't know everything.
Damon Lindelof: Matthew Fox knows things that are relevant to Matthew Fox, and he isn't really interested in stuff that isn't relevant to him. He wants to know what's going to happen to Jack.
So we now know that Teh Fox is only interested in the parts of the story pertaining to Jack and since he can't stop telling us that he does in fact know the infamous Final Image, we can safely assume the final image is one of Jack.
And we know that he thinks it will be SAD. Beautiful, but SAD. Maybe even Dead-Sad. But in any case, SAD.
MF: The outcome will be, at the same time, sad, beautiful and cathartic.
And that would probably be cool with the Jate fans except for this one little thing. It seems he also knows that, in that sad, sad final image, he and Kate are not together. True, it doesn't completely rule out the Jaters' last, best hope that somehow, some way, if there's any justice in the world, Kate and Jack will get to end up as two mouldering corpses on opposite sides of a dank, lonely cave.
That's the ending I'm hoping for. Not an happy ending,but an epic one,sad yet very appropriate for those two characters imo. If Jack dies,I'd just want him to not die alone,and I think that the person who needs to be with him in this, is the one who's always been with him.Kate.I think them dying together after serving whatever destiny they had since the beginning would be perfect. Bittersweet as they often described the finale to be. Bitter because our two main characters would be dead, sweet because they'd be together. - Franci
Maybe Foxy was giving a clue with that part about "not falling into each others arms." Could it be that the series ends with Jack and Kate trapped in a cave together, and that even then, with death staring them in the face, they don't choose to huddle in one another's arms? Instead they choose to crawl off into opposite corners and die. Or if they're laid to rest there by others, those people don't choose to place them in one anothers' arms, as they would dead lovers.
Sounds like a shitty ending to me, but what do I know? I'm not a Jater. And even though I have to say this tour has looked good on Foxy, I'm not exactly a Jacker yet either. Sorry to any lurking Hussies who may accidentally read this post and wonder why don't we just fixate on the beautiful Josh Holloway instead of watching Foxy's European Sideshow, all I can say is that our guy hasn't been too high profile lately. Seems he's doing a bit of this
and a bit of that
and as much as that increases his adorability factor, there's not much Lost related fun we can have with that. This summer we're grateful to the chatty Mr. Foxy for giving us these juicy little tidbits. The guy really does seem to know quite a bit, or at least he's not shy about claiming to.
He knows about the timeline next year.
On the other hand, here’s a scoop: in the course of the last season, the flashbacks will stop and the story will be told in a linear fashion, without time jumps.
He knows that Ben has been permanently taken down a peg.
Q. Will Jack confront Ben in the last season of Lost?
A. No, he will have to fight an enemy who is much more powerful. But I can’t tell you more because, if I talk, the producers will probably send their henchmen to kidnap me and make me pay for it!
He knows that Locke being inhabited by an alien being isn't going to stop Jack and Locke from having a final showdown next season.
In addition to his thoughts on Jack’s demise and all told through giggles, Fox also shed light on Locke and Jack together: “I think it is very cool to see how and where those two end up in the final moments of the show.”
There he goes talking about "final moments" again! The finalest of which he's been told he knows. And seeing how he knows the final moments, and seeing how he just answered "NO! to a simple straightforward question about Jate being NOT fate...uh, I hate to break it to these Hussy gals, but there's a damn good chance he knows that Jack and Kate are kaput-ski.
Q. Do you think Jack and Kate can become a couple again and have a future together?
A. No, I never believed in them as a couple.
It's going to be a long, hungry summer for Lost fans so it's good of Foxy to throw us some chum. So, please keep talking, honey.
We can't wait to hear what you have to say next!